Website Leader.

[The Masked One]

Thought this would be the best place to post it. Anyway, who do you think the real leader of Runouw.com City should be? Blab, Suyo or Runouw? Personally, i think it should be Blab, for the following Reasons:
1. Runouw never really does anything here. I mean, seriously, he never does ANYTHING here. Other than make games. All we know is that he makes games and lives in greece or wherever it is. We dont know his religion, culture, personality, nought. He doesn't even do the site matinence, Suyo does all that. Pointless, much?

2. Im not totally sure if Suyo's popular, im not saying he isnt, but for me i dont like him much. I personally see him not as the leading type. (No offence to suyo beyond this point) He doesnt exactly lock topics kindly either... like, seriously, he just shows up, locks it, then posts the URL. No "Sorry but there is already a topic for this!" no "Use this instead".

3. Blablob is a really caring guy, is very friendly, doesnt lie, CHATS, etc. Everything the above two dont do.

Opinions?

[Zunar]

Well, Suyo does chat. Definitely more than Runouw, of course. I mean, if it's his website, shouldn't he at least SAY something? Or respond when we say something like "Hi Runouw!" Naw, he just leaves. Without a word, most of the time.

No offense, Runouw.

[Suyo]

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1. Runouw never really does anything here. I mean, seriously, he never does ANYTHING here. Other than make games. All we know is that he makes games and lives in greece or wherever it is. We dont know his religion, culture, personality, nought. He doesn't even do the site matinence, Suyo does all that. Pointless, much?

You know what would be pointless? The forum if he didn't make games.

like, seriously, he just shows up, locks it, then posts the URL. No "Sorry but there is already a topic for this!" no "Use this instead".

uh... is this really necessary? -.-

3. Blablob is a really caring guy, is very friendly, doesnt lie, CHATS, etc. Everything the above two dont do.

a) I am friendly (according to most people, I can be a real ♥♥♥ sometimes :3)
b) show me a post where I lied (and it wasn't a joke)
c) last time I checked, I chatted on theIRC. I just have stuff to do, that's why I just disappear randomly

Also Runouw has a reason why he doesn't chat.
Also², Runouw is the leader of the forum though he's inactive. He's the reason why we all are here. Second level is both me and Blab, because even if I code random walls of text into the random walls of text of the forum, he's awesome too. :D

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[Doram]

I think you are misunderstanding the command structure around here.

Runouw, as Suyo so wonderfully pointed out, is the inspiration for the site and the forum, because he makes the games we are talking about. He may own the site and the forum, but his job is the games. He makes games, we are happy. He chats occasionally, we are ecstatic. He is the president. You don't talk to the president every day. That's what your senator is for.

Superyoshi has been the leader of the site for a long time, and as such, has been the one keeping the forum running in many respects, not the least of which is with programming it. He has made most of the upgrades and modifications to the forum that make it work the way it does, and continually tries to improve it with new ideas and additions like the rating system. His job is to keep the forum functioning technologically.

Since Suyo is tasked with keeping an eye on the forum's physical structure, and that has taken more and more of his time, as other problems, mostly out of his control, have cropped up, Blablob was given global-modship to be able to keep the site socially cared for. Things like bannings, account errors, and other things requiring interaction with the users were given to him to take care of. His job is being the face (or eyeball as the case may be) of Runouw.com, and making sure we are all safe, happy, and relatively well behaved.

All three of them are the top leadership of the site, and every other mod, all the way down to us User Representatives, lead the site in our own ways. We know what our roles are, and we do them to the best of our ability, and we make sure to work together on things whenever possible. There is no problem with the leadership of this site, and I would hope other members would take the time to understand it, if not appreciate it.

[destroyer1]

Well, not trying to make any enemies here...

I'll just say all 3 of them are equally equal around the "leader" rank. Runouw did made this site popular as Suyo said. Suyo act's like a great leader, but can be very harshly, which can let people see him as a bad intentional leader. [not saying your not kind Suyo, just saying people could think that] And Blab is just, well he's Blab. Blab is still in his learning phase, trying to get his Gmod powers to work to the fulless! But yeah, i mostly agree with STB. Blab does make a great leader, but Blab is no leader. Two reasons:

1. Blab's still learning some other powers

and 2. Blab really isn't the techfull guy!

Yeah, to me, Blab doesn't know much more than Suyo does about computers. Now, before you think i'm calling you stupid Blab, i'm not. I'm just saying Suyo knows much more than you.


If i had to pick a great leader, it has to be someone else around here, like mod, or Doram, or Obama himself. [although Obama isn't on here] Well, hope you guys at least learned a little something about picking the right kind of leader. Because, picking the right kind of leader is a really tough choice!


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edit: i really gotta see if i made some mistakes before i post, i found 4 errors i had to make already. >_>

[Blablob]

Destroyer, it seems you have completely missed the point of Doram's argument. First of all, Global Mod Powers do not actually consist of actually having to code anything--only Administrators have that type of power. Second, Suyo, Runouw, and I have all made our contributions to the forums, we are all leaders in our own ways. I personally don't place myself on a scale as compared to the rest of the staff, but I actually see myself at around the same height as fourinone. Next to Doram, I've seen him offer his thoughts and opinions on some very emotionally-complicated subjects, showing both courage and intelligence.

Maturity is often accompanied with leadership. Make of that what you will. The only reason I see myself as a Global Mod rather than four is because I tend to ban/warn more users, and I'm more active. But to me, our "scale" of mods and users does not make anyone better than one another.

Anyways, I laugh that you guys think Suyo is "harsh". Believe me, he really isn't. I've seen things from other forums that make Suyo look like a Barbie doll. He's straightforward, which is much different. I actually try to be pretty straightforward myself.

Finally, I'm glad you see me as a great leader, StB, but hear the other users out when they say that Runouw and Suyo have both made significant contributions to the forum. Runouw is inactive for his own reasons--in other words, not laziness--and Suyo is the tech behind the forums as well as one of the primary rule enforcers.

[The Masked One]

Off topic: I was expecting this to be gone by the morning. Damnit, i hate it when the forums troll me!

Partially off-topic: (No offence to Doram or User representatives, i speak purely for myself, not every bloody person on the forums. This is probs because i never go to the news section.) No offence, but as far as i can see (I CAN SEE) The user reps are just a bunch of people who sit around with a low mod status, trolling the normal users (well, not that last part, but you get the picture.) I never really recieve any PM's asking for my opinions on something or see a topic stickied saying "User Rep stuff."

On-Topic: Yes, I do admit that Suyo is straightfoward, but perhaps a tad too straightfoward? And as for Runouw, whats the point of being popular if you never show yourself? Its sort of like giving someone an apple but telling them not to eat it. You should be able to enjoy your treasure, not own it and be forbidden from viewing it. Anyway, if he has the time to log on, wouldn't he have the time to at least say Hello in chat? That would at least be a start.

Off topic again: *Wonders how Runouw will react when he sees this topic*

[destroyer1]

Off topic again: *Wonders how Runouw will react when he sees this topic*

That's pretty easy actually, he'll look at me and say "thanx for this leader conversation destroyer".

Anyways, like me and Blab said, we don't need leaders. Leadership is pretty hard for about anyone, take Bin Laden for a second. His own men were probably thinking of betraying him after 911! Now, i'm not saying they did, but they were probably thinking about it. Besides, i think everyone here has leadership to something! Like Usu having leadership of trolling, Blab and Suyo over the mods, and like me over my bartender job.

Trust me, no one wants to be a leader, unless they are one!

[*Emelia K. Fletcher]

Now, hang on just a moment here. Everyone has their pros and cons, and it doesn't necessarily mean one person's better, or ranked higher than another. Everyone is equal, no matter what their position is. I am a person, you are a person, Suyo is a person, everyone is a person. Everyone can be bad at this, good at that, but it doesn't mean that they're then ranked accordingly.

Runouw is NOT lazy. He has a life, a busy one at that, and if he wasn't 'lazy', there would be none of the games that MAKE this forum. So, he is not lazy, he is just inactive, because he is doing things that make this place better. That's time consuming, thus he doesn't really have a gap in which he can visit the forums.

Suyo is not harsh or unkind. If you got to know him well, he's actually pretty nice.
He DOES go on the chat. The reason you don't see him? What's the time difference between Germany and Australia? Both of you go on at night, so when you're just waking up, he's going to bed.
And locking topics? It isn't unkind when he just gives a link, he doesn't mess about, he just locks it and gives the link with the reason. Any well-witted person will then look at that reason and understand.

And Blab? He's a nice guy, yes. But that doesn't mean he's at the top, neither does it mean that anyone else is.

Personally, this is kind of an offensive topic. You've outright stated what you think without thinking WHY you think that and what's wrong with your reasoning. Try to make a more balanced argument if you're ever going to do something like this. Being biased is not very good unless you're trying to persuade other people, which you aren't.

~MKSTAR26

P.S. If you DO want my opinion, I wouldn't give you it, because I don't have one.

[Doram]

No offence, but as far as i can see (I CAN SEE) The user reps are just a bunch of people who sit around with a low mod status, trolling the normal users (well, not that last part, but you get the picture.) I never really recieve any PM's asking for my opinions on something or see a topic stickied saying "User Rep stuff."

Well, again, there seems to be some misunderstanding of our role. User Representatives can answer questions and point people in the right direction, but we are not given pretty much any powers at all. I cannot sticky, lock, edit other people's posts, or create announcements. What I can do is read all of the areas of the site, including the moderator-only sections, and see what is going on, talk to you guys, and get a feel for where everybody stands, so that when the time comes that the higher-ups need to make a decision, I can speak for you to the people in charge and make sure that they understand what you want. I can also work in the opposite direction, and explain to you guys what they are thinking and help explain the decisions that are made.

You guys are always talking. That's point of the forum. And 99% of the time, you have already started talking about whatever is going on, so all we will do is read what is said, post in your threads asking questions and explaining things, and take the results of this to the private mod forums where the decisions are actually made. Think of us as Representatives in Congress (only much more interactive, and, oh, actually interested in your life). The higher up mods deal with what you do, and we deal with what you think and feel. And before you start thinking that there is some secret society running the site, let me tell you that most of the discussion happens outside the mod forums. This rating system, for example, has had no discussion at all take place in the mod forum. It's all been public.

Yes, we tend to be very low-key about it, but I think we're doing fairly well, because most people seem happy with the site and each other. As is evidenced by my interactions right here, if you need to hear from us, you will.

On-Topic: Yes, I do admit that Suyo is straightfoward, but perhaps a tad too straightfoward?

Too straightforward? No such thing. Not enough sense of humour? That's a different question, but A) he's a busy man, B) everyone is allowed to have a bad day, and C) What he is like when he is doing his job is not necessarily what he is like when he has free time on his hands. Get to know him, then make a decision.

And as for Runouw, whats the point of being popular if you never show yourself? Its sort of like giving someone an apple but telling them not to eat it. You should be able to enjoy your treasure, not own it and be forbidden from viewing it. Anyway, if he has the time to log on, wouldn't he have the time to at least say Hello in chat? That would at least be a start.

Hey, I log in lots of time when I have a couple of minutes, I check my posts for response, see if there's anything burning in the forum or in the chat, and log off immediately if everything's fine. I can only assume that Runouw does the same from time to time.

As for his ability to enjoy his fame, well, we all do it differently. Maybe he just is the quiet, unassuming type, and doesn't actually enjoy basking in the limelight. There is something to be said for quiet self-satisfaction. Besides, it's against the Rules for Arguing to tell other people what they should or should not be feeling. Not making a decision is still making a decision, and not saying anything still says something. He seems to be the quiet type, who happens to make kick@$$ games. We can all sit here and fume in adoration, but he did what he wanted to do, and seems satisfied with it, so who are we to judge?