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[Raz]

I am very salty about being unable to use my own username on the chat and thus I would like another IRC option but this is me just being selfish and thus it's not very important but I still think it should be considered

EDIT: And BY can't be BY.

[*Emelia K. Fletcher]

then just use a longer nick that hasn't been registered - this is IRC

[Raz]

being selfish and thus it's not very important.

As in I could use another name but I don't really want to and that I'm being selfish and thus it's not very important

[-BY]

EDIT: And BY can't be BY.

This.

[Kimonio]

this is IRC

Elaboration, we're using a private channel on a public chat server, where you can claim any name, keep it for however long you want, etc. Suyo's server is an example of a private IRC server, where he manages what channels are allowed, and how users can interact with it.

So names like BY have the chance to be taken 10 years ago. It's not their fault, it's not our fault, it's the internet. If we want usernames that aren't taken that we use on here...well....someone needs to host a server and set it up. Right now, we have what we have. A server with an owner who probably hasn't been on in months, or a server where 4,000,000 people are on over 600,000 channels, and usernames come at a "first come first serve" ideology. Really no point in complaining.

So sorry, BY, Raz....but at the moment we have two choices of where to chat, and we can either be salty about issues regarding what is a temporary chat, or we can help develop a new one.

[Oranjui]

And OJ can't be OJ

I'm still not really sure why it was necessary to move to a new server when the old one was still entirely functional. It's not like Suyo's shutting it off tomorrow or something. I haven't seen the 1-hour IP ban thing happen in a few weeks, either.

[*Emelia K. Fletcher]

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let's attempt to avert cognitive dissonance

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<OJ> E
<OJ> w
<OJ> I am actual disgust
<Bam_0700> OJ, we moved to a new server
<OJ> Yeah I saw
<Bam_0700> Well, aren't you cool
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<fourinone> a
<OJ> foru we migrated to a new server for some ♥♥♥♥ reason
<OJ> irc.dal.net
<OJ> channel #runouw
<fourinone> Uh, okay.
<OJ> i'm not really sure why it was necessary because this chat is completely functional but people were whining about suyo not doing stuff
<OJ> https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.dal.net/ ... one#runouw if you use that
<B-O-T> [ Kiwi IRC ] - https://kiwiirc.com
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<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> i'm sorry we're doing something you didn't expect oj
<OJ> I'm not saying I didn't expect it.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> so sorry this disrupts the status quo
<OJ> I'm saying that there was literally no reason to do so.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> the server is no longer suitable to use in conjunction with the onsite chat
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> that's a big reason
<OJ> How so?
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> have you not seen
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> the entire ♥♥♥♥ fiasco
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> over only a few IPs being allowed on the same hostname at the same time
<OJ> Because once in a while if a lot of people join, it sometimes bans some people from using a client for a short period of time?
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> when connecting to this server
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> yes
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> that's a problem
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> because that shouldn't happen
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> and we can't make it not happen because the person who can make it not happen just doesn't really care
<OJ> I'm aware of that
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> then there's at least literally one reason to do so
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> make your case
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> what reasons are there to stay here
<OJ> Because this chat is still completely functional, and we can actually use our own nicks
<OJ> I haven't seen the IP banning thing happen in over a week
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> that's just you feeling entitlement to IRC working in this particular way
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> (which is to say IRC does not usually work in this particular way)
<OJ> I'm aware
<fourinone> Was there actual discussion about this change on Runouw, or did you guys just pick up your bags and rush over there? Because I see that MK is an admin over there.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> the other chat is there for now in conjunction with this one
<OJ> There's been discussion going on for a while on chat and stuff
<OJ> But nothing was posted on it until today
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> i'm the founder of the channel because doram's fairly useless at irc
<OJ> And all of a sudden within a few hours they decided to migrate
<Bam_0700> It still is just a test, OJ
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> It still is just a test, OJ
<OJ> Thanks
<Bam_0700> We have to actually use it to test if it is a good alternative
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> so you have to use a different nick
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> wow
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> end of life
<OJ> Yeah, and right now it's certainly not looking like it's an optimal alternative to this *still entirely functional* chat
<Bam_0700> The biggest thing is that we actually have the power to make changes on the new server
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> this chat that's still entirely functional in the shadow of a completely inactive owner
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> this server is not as appropriate for the onsite chat as dalnet is anymore
<OJ> Okay, that's fair bam
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> although i would've preferred espernet
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> or hell even freenode
<OJ> But it's not like we need to make changes to it
<OJ> There's like, a single issue with this
<OJ> The whole IP-banning thing that still really does not occur more than maybe once a week
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> okay
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> what do you want me to do
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> what do you want to happen
<OJ> I don't see it as a cause to move everybody to a new server only to have them move back to this one or to something else within another few weeks
<OJ> I'd be perfectly fine with just keeping this one
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> it's a test
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> it's just a test
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> it's just a ♥♥♥♥ test
<Bam_0700> It isn't that hard to set up a new network on your IRC client
<Bam_0700> It took me less than a minute
<OJ> It took me about 20 seconds
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> oj you are arguing for pretty much argument's sakes from my viewpoint
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> there's no non-negligible issue with this? okay
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> there's no non-negligible issue with dalnet? okay
<OJ> But there's still the fact that there are two servers I have to be connected to if I want to chat with people now
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> if your client cannot handle being connected to two servers
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> your client has issues
<OJ> I'm not using a client
<OJ> I'm using webclients
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> do you want me to just dissolve the room
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> just terminate the whole test
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> because apparently it's inconvenient?????????
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> let's just stop trying to solve this issue????????????
<OJ> I never said that testing things was bad
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> THEN STOP TALKING
<fourinone> My real problem with this is that there's a transition cost. It will take time for everyone who frequents this chat to know to go over to the new place. And you'd have to get everyone to commit to the new place. So I'm afraid we may end up losing some people due to this.
<OJ> ^ Exactly
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> people who are using a client are savvy
<OJ> I said it earlier
<OJ> I don't see it as a cause to move everybody to a new server only to have them move back to this one or to something else within another few weeks
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> people who are using the widget will just be connecting to a different server and there'll be no practical difference
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> There's no cause. There's no ♥♥♥♥ cause for moving everybody. We're testing.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> We're testing. We're literally testing.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> This is not final.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> We're ♥♥♥♥ testing this.
<OJ> MK
<OJ> Calm down
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<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> i'm just frustrated
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> because you're complaining
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> but you're also acknowledging your complaints are moot as of right now]
<OJ> I'm not complaining, or at least I'm not trying to complain
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> because you cannot press your complaints as an actual course of action
<OJ> I'm suggesting that it's just not needed and it's going to cause unnecessary complications
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> good
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> that's your feedback
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> we've got your feedback now
<OJ> My point is
<OJ> Why are we testing
<OJ> When there is no reason for said testing
<OJ> That is all
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> there's a ♥♥♥♥ reason
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> and it's that this server has issues that that one doesn't
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> there's a ♥♥♥♥ reason
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> and it's that this server has issues that that one doesn't
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> do you want me to repeat it again because this is a ♥♥♥♥ TEST
<OJ> Do you want me to repeat it again because this chat is still entirely functional
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> it's a TEST
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> with no clear expected outcome
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> because it's a TEST
<OJ> And there's an occasional inconvenience for some people that can be worked around relatively easily
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> and we're looking to ♥♥♥♥ see WHAT HAPPENS
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> THANKS FOR YOUR PREDICTIONS
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> NOW WE CAN SEE IN THIS TEST
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> WHAT WILL HAPPEN
<Xpo20> guys guys stop fighting
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> YOU DO NOT HELP
<OJ> ...
<Bam_0700> Xpo, I feel like this is a conversation that needs to happen at some point though
<Xpo20> there's no need to be negative about this on either side of this arguement
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> YOU SERIOUSLY DO NOT HELP
<OJ> I'm not really being negative
<Xpo20> okay, okay, fine, MK, if you feel the need, get it out of your system.
<OJ> I'm simply stating that perhaps there are downsides to this solution that maybe outweigh the good things
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> YOU ARE SERIOUSLY NOT HELPING BY PLAYING STRAIGHT-MAN THERAPIST
<fourinone> If most of the active users of this chat agreed to try this out, then I'm willing to put up with it for a while. I just hope we decide quickly, so it doesn't kill conversations because everyone's either flipping between tabs or staring at just one server.
<OJ> ^
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> THEN DECIDE
<OJ> This is exactly my point
<Bam_0700> Most of us used the new server today no problem
<fourinone> And OJ, I think you got your point across.
<OJ> Except there are people who don't necessarily always check the site, and they're going to use this server and assume that nobody's talking
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> THERE'S A BIG ♥♥♥♥ ANNOUNCEMENT
<OJ> Except there are people who don't necessarily always check the site
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> you know
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> the reason they're not going to know
<fourinone> Do we have an announcement on this server's MOTD?
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> is because this chat is an unmaintained hellhole
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> hm
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<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> could that be a possible reason why we're CONSIDERING MOVING
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<OJ> The reason they're not going to know is more that people are used to this server and they might just want to chat instead of checking the forums
<fourinone> Also, I personally never saw the IP banning thing happen, so can you explain to me what it is, and who usually falls victim to it?
<OJ> It's people who use webclients
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> kiwi widget uses a couple of hostnames
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> this server has a max limit on amount of ips allowed on the same hostname
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> after which said hostname is banned temporarily
<OJ> The max is 3
<fourinone> So the problem happens to people who use Kiwi widget?
<OJ> Kiwi widget or mibbit
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> the problem happens to people who use the onsite chat which happens to be a kiwi widget, yes
<fourinone> Ah, I see.
<OJ> Kiwi has 4 hostnames I think
<OJ> @m-a.clients.kiwiirc.com, @m-b.clients.kiwiirc.com, m-c, and m-d
<OJ> Mibbit has its own like that but there are more iirc
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> anyway i'm going to bed
<OJ> Either that or it distributes them better than kiwi does
<OJ> Night MK
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> i'm gonna write out one last statement though:
<fourinone> I'm a horse.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> in an argument, it's a pretty good idea to acknowledge your opponent's state of mind if you have goodwill rather than continuing to argue the relevant point
<OJ> I did.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> of course you did
<OJ> We're testing. We don't know what's going to happen. It might turn out well.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> although when i look up
<OJ> There are major ways this could benefit us.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> i see a lot of me angrily replying in all-caps
<OJ> Except there are also major ways this could cause problems.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> oj don't ♥♥♥♥ summarise it i'm the other participant in the argument itself
<OJ> I'm restating what I said.
<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> acknowledge your opponent's state of mind if you have goodwill rather than continuing to argue the relevant point
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<OJ> Because for some reason you're accusing me of not having acknowledged your viewpoint.
<EmeliaK> i said state of mind
<EmeliaK> not viewpoint
<EmeliaK> acknowledge the fact i'm just really pissed at half the things you're saying because they seem to be completely irreverant
<EmeliaK> even though that's likely incorrect and i'm being hotheaded out of it being 2am
<OJ> Yeah...
<fourinone> Alright good night MK.
<EmeliaK> but either way you should've probably realised i'm not
<EmeliaK> in a good state of mind at all
<EmeliaK> repeating your points doesn't help
<EmeliaK> night
<OJ> Night.
<fourinone> Hey Oranj, is there a topic where people talked about this?
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<Yoshiboo118> hi
<fourinone> a
<OJ> Yeah
<Raz> holy ♥♥♥♥ OJ i'm glad someone other than me thinks that
<Raz> i love you
<OJ> It should be an announcement
<OJ> I'll find it
<fourinone> SO TSU AGREES TOO
<OJ> viewtopic.php?f=11&t=46953
<B-O-T> [ View topic - Forum Chat Topic • runouw.com ] - http://runouw.com
<OJ> Yeah here it's on the last page or two
<fourinone> Hey YB, you know about the whole server thing?
<Yoshiboo118> I heard about it
<Yoshiboo118> is it a big deal
<Yoshiboo118> I voted that idc because I go wherever chat is
<Xpo20> well there was an arguement a second ago but overall everyone has the same mindset you do, I believe
<OJ> Multiple times I had considered asking why he's flipping ♥♥♥♥ for no reason at all lol
<Raz> There were literally like 80 messages of discussion in Skype between MK and Doram and then this became a thing
<Yoshiboo118> lol
<Raz> and then there was no further discussion
<OJ> Like I was simply stating that I was opposed to his viewpoint
<B-O-T> rofl
<Yoshiboo118> who had which viewpoint
<EmeliaK> i do have a habit of remaining active a few minutes after i say i go to bed
<Bam_0700> OJ felt like we didn't need to move
<fourinone> So what's the general stance on this? Who are the people who adamantly want to switch, who are the ones who prefer to stay, and who don't care?
<Raz> I kinda don't care but I'm leaning toward wanting to stay
<OJ> MK and Ven definitely feel like something needs to happen, whether it requires switching servers or not
<Raz> The two downsides to this chat, that immediately come to my mind, are the whole banning fiasco and the project diva spam
<OJ> I think Doram might have that mindset too but he hasn't really voiced anything
<EmeliaK> i don't feel like something needs to happen
<Raz> The banning fiasco is so rare and infrequent taht I do not think it is a big deal
<Bam_0700> I also feel like something needs to happen
<Raz> and the project diva spam
<fourinone> Project Diva spam?
<Raz> can be ♥♥♥♥ dealt with by moving to #runouw
<Raz> like i said multiple times
<EmeliaK> i feel like something should probably happen and since i've already taken steps to testing out whether that something works at all
<OJ> Yeah lawl.
<EmeliaK> look basically from my viewpoint
<OJ> I'm still not really sure what you mean by "works."
<EmeliaK> i got an irc channel set up under the impression that either a) people would be fine with transitioning here or b) it wasn't intended as the full-scale replacement just yet
<EmeliaK> so i got things working
<EmeliaK> configured stuff
<EmeliaK> sent the go-ahead to doram for the announcement
<OJ> Because as I see it, this chat works perfectly for us, aside from very occasional and very minor inconveniences for a few people that can easily be worked around.
<fourinone> By works he means, is everyone able to log on okay, PM, do whatever features we use here, etc. The general stuff.
<OJ> The other chat you made seems to be causing more problems than it's solving.
<EmeliaK> and now a couple of hours later i get people just completely ♥♥♥♥ on that because it's reputedly needless
<EmeliaK> kinda makes a person feel down
<Bam_0700> I feel like the only problems I've seen on the new server is trying to get everyone to move and some people not being able to use their usernames
<EmeliaK> i'm revoking the "it's late" card i played that's ♥♥♥♥
<fourinone> Hah, sorry MK, you're unfortunately the only advocate of the new server currently here.
<EmeliaK> this is just inherently me being a bitc
<Raz> and bam
<EmeliaK> okay foru
<EmeliaK> okay
<Raz> i'm sure Venexis is here too
<EmeliaK> alright
<fourinone> what
<EmeliaK> sure
<fourinone> Currently here as in actually talking.
<Raz> Four I think MK is annoyed that you're saying he's the only advocate
<EmeliaK> alright
<Raz> I think MK is neutral
<Raz> he just made it because he thought people wanted it
<Raz> right
<EmeliaK> because i thought people would be fine with its existence at all
<fourinone> Oh no, I'm saying that he's taking all the flak because none of the other supporters are currently here.
<Raz> Venexis
<Raz> Venexis is kinda the main advocate here and I want to hear his thoughts
<EmeliaK> foru discard that viewpoint
<EmeliaK> <EmeliaK> because i thought people would be fine with its existence at all
<EmeliaK> and tsu's bit
<EmeliaK> that's essentially it
<fourinone> Uh
<fourinone> You're saying you want me to know you're not particularly for the new server either? Is that what you're saying?
<EmeliaK> no
<EmeliaK> for ♥♥♥♥'s sakes
<EmeliaK> i'm not on sides
<EmeliaK> i'm not For or Against
<fourinone> That's what I said.
<EmeliaK> i'm just really feeling like i got ♥♥♥♥ piled on because i made a goddamn room in a server
<fourinone> lawl, that's exactly what I was saying in the first place.
<EmeliaK> really
<EmeliaK> i didn't see it
<EmeliaK> at all
<Raz> i did
<fourinone> Alright, go to sleep. Good night.
<EmeliaK> that's a plenty dismissive attitude but okay

[Kimonio]

Just saying, I support a new server.

But I'm going to type up a new topic so we can debate it there without biting each other's heads off.

[-BY]

<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> YOU ARE SERIOUSLY NOT HELPING BY PLAYING STRAIGHT-MAN THERAPIST

<EmeliaK|jointhegoddamnnewchat> YOU ARE SERIOUSLY NOT HELPING BY

You heard the man. You're seriously not helping me, OJ.

[Oranjui]

(I'm almost positive he was referring to xpo)