Runouw Census Idea

[NanTheDark]

Well, I had the idea to make a census here in Runouw, to see how many users are currently active in the site. Why? ...Not sure, but having that number might be nice, I guess.

I had the idea to like, have a topic where anyone active could make a post. Or something. That would be simple enough I guess. What do you think?

[Raz]

We're actually doing a user cleanup September 1st. (hopefully) It should delete any users who haven't been active/responded to the email in a certain amount of time.
Here's the e-mail:

Hello users of Runouw.com,

It has come to our attention that we have thousands of inactive, non-posting users. As these accounts do nothing but take of space and make active users harder to track down, we have decided to remove all user accounts that have never posted on the forums. If you have posted, but it is only in Off-Topic or in the level portal, we urge you to post a welcome post to introduce yourself to the community as well as to protect your account from deletion.

This will go into effect on September 1st 2014.

According to Nin and Buff, 1203 users will be left after this.

[MessengerOfDreams]

So you're going to delete old designers who only posted in the portal, deleting a magnitude of portal levels, or people who only posted in Off Topic awhile back...

Instead of working around that.

Glad we only found out about this NOW

[Raz]

So you're going to delete old designers who only posted in the portal, deleting a magnitude of portal levels, or people who only posted in Off Topic awhile back...

Instead of working around that.

Glad we only found out about this NOW

Give a us a work-around, we're all ears.

EDIT: I honestly don't know about the portal, I wasn't the one who sent out the PMs. Keep in mind that everyone was given one month of notice. They were sent out back on July 26th.
EDIT2: I didn't even realize no one was told about this before. I really wish not everything was kept a secret.

[Venexis]

Heyyy. Alright, so, yes, this has been a thing for a while. I'm not sure if it was kept to F23 or not (if it was, what the ♥♥♥♥? Isn't the goal of this to get people's attention?) but posts such as this can confirm it is in fact working.

Thing is, it was only sent to users with zero posts. None of the 1203 or so members who have made posts at some point in the site's history would have received one. It was a tough call to make, but there are a few reasons why I feel it's valid.

For one, the email does specifically state that posting in Off-Topic or the level portal is not enough to save your account. People have had over a month at this point to log in, check that, and rectify it if they wish. But you did raise a very good point that nobody had anticipated, what does happen to levels submitted by a user if that user is deleted?

I genuinely don't know how to handle this, because nobody seems to know what would happen to those levels. It seems to be the determining factor of whether or not we should ultimately go through with it. Regardless, there's a lesson here- this could have been entirely avoided by letting people know what the staff (who do not have the ability to anticipate everything) had planned. There was no reason to hide this, and every reason to not hide it.

At the very least we should perhaps pick a zero-post member who has submitted levels to the portal, email them the level code, and see what (if any) consequences arise. Time is really ticking now.

[nin10mode]

So you're going to delete old designers who only posted in the portal, deleting a magnitude of portal levels, or people who only posted in Off Topic awhile back...

Instead of working around that.

Glad we only found out about this NOW

Levels from the old portal aren't deleted along with their levels.

The old portal isn't linked to anything anymore. It is just an archive of levels, listed with their authors, the last score and difficulty rating they had, and the number of votes given to reach those ratings. If it was still linked to the userbase and game, it would most likely tamper with how the current portal works.

All that is being deleted are users.

[Raz]

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<Raz> Venexis
<Venexis> helloooo
<Raz> viewtopic.php?f=11&t=47054&p=303376#p303375
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<Venexis> ughhhhhhhhhhh
<Venexis> please tell me this forum wide PM was not F23 only
<fourinone> Oh dang RIP my account.
<nin10mode> It was an email
<Raz> He's asking if the users knew
<Raz> which I don't think they did
<Venexis> Do we have any way to confirm the email was sent? Because uh... now taht I'm actually looking at my PMs, I didn't get it.
<fourinone> Yeah, where do I find this email? It's not in my PM box.
<Raz> uh
<Raz> It implies people with 0 posts get the PM
<Aznchau4ever> me neither
<Aznchau4ever> oh
<Raz> and 1203 users, which is you guys, dont
<Raz> It's not a PM btw
<Raz> it's an Email
<fourinone> Oh okay.
<Venexis> Could a mod find a random 0 post member and check their PMs to confirm it worked?
<Raz> It's an email
<Raz> you can't check people's emails
<nin10mode> viewtopic.php?f=10&t=46784
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<Venexis> oh, hah, I thought you were using them interchangeably, lawl.
<fourinone> Hi Seth.
<nin10mode> He four.
<Raz> Seth ♥♥♥♥♥
<nin10mode> Heeee
<fourinone> Seth Dongs
<Bam_0700> That was a funny joke
<Raz> Soooo
<Raz> is it actually a problem
<Raz> that we should worry about
<Raz> or naw
<Venexis> You know, I dunno. I can't really answer that fairly because I have no idea how to address MoD's concerns
<Venexis> Would levels submitted by a user be deleted along with the account?
<Raz> I'm fairly certain that users who have been deleted but have posted have their posts saved
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<Raz> actually no
<Raz> thankslist.php?mode=givens&author_id=10691&give=true
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<Raz> I thumbed up a couple of deleted posts
<Raz> but that doesn't mean anything
<nin10mode> I faintly remember seeing posts from deleted accounts
<nin10mode> But again, those are posts, not levels
<Raz> Me too but all the deleted accounts we've had have been spambots
<Bam_0700> Can we make a robot that spits spam everywhere? The food spam.
<Bam_0700> Sounds like an extremely useless/fun project
<Raz> I'm good
<Raz> we've had enough spambots and it's nice to not have them
<Bam_0700> Yes, but those are the unfun kind. I'm talking about gross "meat"
<Raz> I'm really confused whether we should do something about MoD's post or not
<Raz> Like it's too late to send all the emails all over again
<Venexis> Alright, let's take it slow.
<Venexis> Nin, Chau, if someone rereg'd just to post a level and then you deleted that account, we could verify, right?
<Raz> can moderators even delete accounts?
<nin10mode> No.
<nin10mode> Account deletion is another ACP thing
<Venexis> well ♥♥♥♥
<nin10mode> the amount of things I'm unable to do is bothering me again
<Venexis> Oh
<Venexis> You know, it doesn't even matter
<Venexis> Because he's talking about the old portal
<nin10mode> lmfao
<Venexis> we can't post to that anyway even if someone made a rereg to try
<Venexis> Well I just made a post in that topic, but we could always pick a user who posted to the portal, save their level's code, then test what deleting the account would do
<nin10mode> Yo
<nin10mode> After some really simple research
<Venexis> it's a small scale test, if everything's lost, we could still email them their level if they want to keep it
<nin10mode> no levels get deleted
<nin10mode> MAGIC
<Venexis> None?
<nin10mode> Yeah
<nin10mode> If you go to the old portal and click some authors, it gives you an error page
<nin10mode> clicking the level is normal though
<Venexis> Can I have an example?
<Venexis> Like if you're there already
<Raz> Guys
<Raz> my old username is an example
<Raz> ShyGuy no longer exists
<Raz> but my levels still exist
<Bam_0700> RIP
<Bam_0700> He will be missed
<Raz> RIP ShyGuy
<Venexis> Is that different though? Because you had a name change and all
<Raz> http://runouw.com/levels/viewprofile.php?name=ShyGuy
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<Venexis> Or was that a totally separate account
<Raz> err
<Raz> good point
<Raz> but still ShyGuy no longer exists
<Venexis> Yeah because he became Tsutarja lul
<Venexis> I dunno if that's how it works
<nin10mode> Click in the old portal and click seel or kamek
<Raz> But their levels still exist
<Raz> just not their profile
<nin10mode> exactly
<nin10mode> That's what I'm getting at
<Raz> Oh
<nin10mode> The profile is gone
<nin10mode> the level is safe
<Raz> I just got back because i made hot cocao so I missed the discussion
<Raz> (yes hot cocao in the summer)

Here, mine as well post our discussion about this.

[Supershroom]

I totally disapprove of all of this. First, noone is forced to post anywhere, and second, though you may never use your account to post something, it still gives you advantages such as viewing user profiles and searching levels faster.

[Raz]

Nonono, you're missing the point. If you guys haven't noticed, Spambots haven't been here for almost a year thanks to Suyo. (it was a suprise to us too) Once we remove all the users who haven't done anything, spambot or not, it'll let us have a clear view of our ACTUAL userbase. Sadly, we do not have 62811 actual users. Less than 10% of our users are even actual users.

If you're a lurker, make a new account. All this does is give us a clear view of who is actually registered on our forum. Although, you don't need to see anyone's profiles. And nor do you need to login to search for any levels. I don't see why you'd register on a forum and not use the forum.

[MessengerOfDreams]

So as long as we don't lose posts I'm cool