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- MessengerOfDreams (October 13th, 2015, 8:44 am) • Oranjui (October 12th, 2015, 12:14 pm) • Supershroom (October 19th, 2015, 12:52 am) • tnt175 (October 12th, 2015, 2:41 pm) • Venexis (October 12th, 2015, 9:15 am)
PSA: OUR CHAT IS AN IRC
PSA: OUR CHAT IS AN IRC
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by *Emelia K. Fletcher » October 12th, 2015, 9:11 am
Brief: our chat is an IRC chat. This means it does not work like a standard IM client akin to Skype. It does not work like a chatroom on a dating site. It works like an IRC chat.
There have been frustrations voiced over our chat. This is not because the chat is poorly designed. This is because the people voicing frustrations do not like that IRC does not work the way they expected it to - like a built-in chat on a forum.
With that clear, let me detail you the consequences of our chat being an IRC chat.
1) YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOUR NICK
This is a feature of NickServ (or Nickname Service), a helpful module that lets you maintain your identity on an IRC server.
It is not "a hassle, because I don't want to type in a bunch of extra stuff every time I enter the chat". Your IRC client, if modern enough, should allow auto-identification functionality, and on-site chatters are stumped here, because the onsite chat is the bare minimum of an IRC client.
Identifying your nick means you are recognised by the server as That Person.
2) YOUR NICK UNREGISTERS ITSELF AFTER THREE WEEKS OF NOT BEING IDENTIFIED
If you do not identify yourself under the nick you have registered for a while (i.e. you have most likely disappeared from the chat), it will be unregistered and up for grabs again. This is not stupid functionality. This is to make sure that nicks aren't hoarded and taken for no reason. This automatic unregistering leads onto:
3) IF YOUR NICK ISN'T REGISTERED, YOU CANNOT BE OPPED
Opping someone (permanently) requires for their nick to be registered and identified, because that means it's the same person being opped every time. Do not whine if you suddenly have no op if you a) never registered your nick, or b) left the chat for a while.
4) IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS USING YOUR REGISTERED NICK WHEN YOU ARE ONLINE, YOU CAN BOOT THEM OFF IT
NickServ provides a handy command for this. If someone has taken your nick, enter the command /ns recover [nickname] [password]. No, there are no square brackets around the nickname and the password. This command will boot the other person off your nick so you're free to change back to it.
4.5) YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THAN ONE NICK REGISTERED TO YOU
This is /ns group - it adds the nick you are currently using to the group of nicks you can identify. If you have a registered nick and want to add another, just change to that nick, then /ns group [nick you want to group it to] [password]. No, there are still no square brackets around the nickname and password.
As an example, I use both EmeliaK and Emelia_Kaylee, so I've registered both of them by (while being Emelia_Kaylee) typing /ns group EmeliaK [hahaha i'm not giving away my password].
5) OUR CHAT IS A HORRIFICALLY MANGLED IRC THAT CONFUSES EVEN ME
This is because in the frustrations of everyone who didn't know how to use IRC, we decided to try and make the chat more friendly for people who don't know how to use IRC. Join/leave messages are insanely frequent because when somebody is browsing the forums and goes to a different page, it reloads the IRC client and reestablishes a connection, which essentially means you keep leaving and joining again every time you navigate to a different page.
6) THERE IS, IN FACT, HELP FUNCTIONALITY THAT ACTUALLY INFORMS YOU ON WHAT YOU CAN DO
Confused on registering a nickname? Enter the command /ns help. Go from there.
Alternatively, there is Google. All information will technically be specific to a different IRC server, but there's enough of an overlap between functionality that it shouldn't pose a problem. After all, IRC is a standard, and standards were made so that everything would work like each other.
7) IF ALL ELSE FAILS, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO USE IRC (THIS MAINLY ENTAILS ME)
I'm not being self-aggrandising - if you're confused or stymied by the chat in any regard, and can't figure it out, highlight me. What's highlighting? You use my nick in your message. I'm usually either EmeliaK or Emelia_Kaylee. I'm on for a good portion of the day, so I might catch you.
8) YOU CAN TYPE /quit [nick] TO MAKE THE PERSON BY THAT NICK LEAVE
That's a joke.
There have been frustrations voiced over our chat. This is not because the chat is poorly designed. This is because the people voicing frustrations do not like that IRC does not work the way they expected it to - like a built-in chat on a forum.
With that clear, let me detail you the consequences of our chat being an IRC chat.
1) YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOUR NICK
This is a feature of NickServ (or Nickname Service), a helpful module that lets you maintain your identity on an IRC server.
It is not "a hassle, because I don't want to type in a bunch of extra stuff every time I enter the chat". Your IRC client, if modern enough, should allow auto-identification functionality, and on-site chatters are stumped here, because the onsite chat is the bare minimum of an IRC client.
Identifying your nick means you are recognised by the server as That Person.
2) YOUR NICK UNREGISTERS ITSELF AFTER THREE WEEKS OF NOT BEING IDENTIFIED
If you do not identify yourself under the nick you have registered for a while (i.e. you have most likely disappeared from the chat), it will be unregistered and up for grabs again. This is not stupid functionality. This is to make sure that nicks aren't hoarded and taken for no reason. This automatic unregistering leads onto:
3) IF YOUR NICK ISN'T REGISTERED, YOU CANNOT BE OPPED
Opping someone (permanently) requires for their nick to be registered and identified, because that means it's the same person being opped every time. Do not whine if you suddenly have no op if you a) never registered your nick, or b) left the chat for a while.
4) IF SOMEBODY ELSE IS USING YOUR REGISTERED NICK WHEN YOU ARE ONLINE, YOU CAN BOOT THEM OFF IT
NickServ provides a handy command for this. If someone has taken your nick, enter the command /ns recover [nickname] [password]. No, there are no square brackets around the nickname and the password. This command will boot the other person off your nick so you're free to change back to it.
4.5) YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE MORE THAN ONE NICK REGISTERED TO YOU
This is /ns group - it adds the nick you are currently using to the group of nicks you can identify. If you have a registered nick and want to add another, just change to that nick, then /ns group [nick you want to group it to] [password]. No, there are still no square brackets around the nickname and password.
As an example, I use both EmeliaK and Emelia_Kaylee, so I've registered both of them by (while being Emelia_Kaylee) typing /ns group EmeliaK [hahaha i'm not giving away my password].
5) OUR CHAT IS A HORRIFICALLY MANGLED IRC THAT CONFUSES EVEN ME
This is because in the frustrations of everyone who didn't know how to use IRC, we decided to try and make the chat more friendly for people who don't know how to use IRC. Join/leave messages are insanely frequent because when somebody is browsing the forums and goes to a different page, it reloads the IRC client and reestablishes a connection, which essentially means you keep leaving and joining again every time you navigate to a different page.
6) THERE IS, IN FACT, HELP FUNCTIONALITY THAT ACTUALLY INFORMS YOU ON WHAT YOU CAN DO
Confused on registering a nickname? Enter the command /ns help. Go from there.
Alternatively, there is Google. All information will technically be specific to a different IRC server, but there's enough of an overlap between functionality that it shouldn't pose a problem. After all, IRC is a standard, and standards were made so that everything would work like each other.
7) IF ALL ELSE FAILS, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO USE IRC (THIS MAINLY ENTAILS ME)
I'm not being self-aggrandising - if you're confused or stymied by the chat in any regard, and can't figure it out, highlight me. What's highlighting? You use my nick in your message. I'm usually either EmeliaK or Emelia_Kaylee. I'm on for a good portion of the day, so I might catch you.
That's a joke.
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Re: PSA: OUR CHAT IS AN IRC
by Raz » October 12th, 2015, 9:22 am
meaning:
do /ns register [password] [email] and enter your password by doing /ns identify [password] everytime you join the IRC and now people can't impersonate your username like it has happened before.
do /ns register [password] [email] and enter your password by doing /ns identify [password] everytime you join the IRC and now people can't impersonate your username like it has happened before.
Disclaimer: none of these messages have been edited, context can be provided if needed (thanks discord!) but absolutely does not change anything about these messages and that he's too overly defensive and cocky to make situations better
Karyete: I don't have anything to say to you, I've been deliberately trying to not offend you for years, actually, but apparently everything I say to you is wrong. You come across as so aggressive that you successfully intimidated me into not wanting to talk to you
Karyete: Seriously, what is your problem? And not only that, you fail to even acknowledge you might be in some wrong here.
Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
Karyete: How pathetic
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Re: PSA: OUR CHAT IS AN IRC
by Doram » October 12th, 2015, 12:17 pm
Also, we have now locked down the chat to only logged-in users. That means that if you want to use the on-site chat page, you have to be logged on to the site in general, in order to see it.
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Re: PSA: OUR CHAT IS AN IRC
by tnt175 » October 12th, 2015, 2:39 pm
On the subject of the join/leave messages, I don't know if it applies to other chat services but in my case, Chatzilla offers a Conference mode where that kind of message doesn't show. I don't know if there is a feature like that on others chat services but you can always check for it.
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Re: PSA: OUR CHAT IS AN IRC
by Raz » October 12th, 2015, 2:42 pm
tnt175 wrote:On the subject of the join/leave messages, I don't know if it applies to other chat services but in my case, Chatzilla offers a Conference mode where that kind of message doesn't show. I don't know if there is a feature like that on others chat services but you can always check for it.
mIRC and Quassel both have this.
The Join/Quit message thing isn't even a problem on #runouw though.
Disclaimer: none of these messages have been edited, context can be provided if needed (thanks discord!) but absolutely does not change anything about these messages and that he's too overly defensive and cocky to make situations better
Karyete: I don't have anything to say to you, I've been deliberately trying to not offend you for years, actually, but apparently everything I say to you is wrong. You come across as so aggressive that you successfully intimidated me into not wanting to talk to you
Karyete: Seriously, what is your problem? And not only that, you fail to even acknowledge you might be in some wrong here.
Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
Karyete: How pathetic
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Re: PSA: OUR CHAT IS AN IRC
by Oranjui » October 12th, 2015, 2:43 pm
Most downloadable clients allow you to disable them somehow.
Alternatively, there's IRCCloud, which still displays them, but collapses them into one message that can be expanded to show details :^)))))
**register your usernames**
Alternatively, there's IRCCloud, which still displays them, but collapses them into one message that can be expanded to show details :^)))))
**register your usernames**
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Re: PSA: OUR CHAT IS AN IRC
by ~MP3 Amplifier~ » October 13th, 2015, 7:29 am
Great topic. I'll second this for everything.
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