Good Weapons & Bad Weapons [TF2]

[Raz]

Discuss weapons, why they are bad, why they are good, and discuss knowledgeably. Not like how you guys do on the chat.


The Razorback:
Overall bad.
Not everyone plays spy. DO NOT USE IT. The spy can easily headshot you with an ambassador, or 3 hit KO you with his l'etranger, or 2 hit KO you with an Enforcer.
Also it doesn't protect you against anything else, and Jarate is just better.

[ChaosYoshi]

Good Weapons:

• Amputator (straight upgrade from regular Bonesaw)
• Third Degree (straight upgrade from Fire Axe)
• Jarate (& Bushwacka) (SMG is alright, but having mini-crits helps, especially with the Bushwacka)
• Boxing Gloves of Running Urgently (despite being marked to death, getting to the battlefield faster is a great help for heavy and his slowness)
• Fists of Steel (really helpful for running through bullets in open areas to get back into battle with little to no scrathes. Doesn't do as well in more narrow, melee-based combat)
• Frontier Justice (goes really well with mini-sentries, and as long as you're alive when it's destroyed, you can rack up a lot of critical hits)
• Degreaser (really helpful when your loadout utilizes guaranteed crits against burning playes, like the Flare Gun and Axtinguisher)

Bad Weapons:

The Razorback:Overall bad.Not everyone plays spy. DO NOT USE IT. The spy can easily headshot you with an ambassador, or 3 hit KO you with his l'etranger, or 2 hit KO you with an Enforcer. Also it doesn't protect you against anything else, and Jarate is just better.

• Sun-on-a-Stick (it relies on a co-op with Pyro, and it's just not very often that you get someone on fire randomly. Scout is more for hit-and-run tactics, not reliance on other teamates)
• Market Gardner (I know some people are able to use it really effectively, but otherwise you have to rocket-jump every time you want extra damage, and hitting someone with melee in mid-air is rather difficult)
• Lollichop (it's just a Fire Axe with a new skin. There's 3 other items that grant Pyrovision, anyways, so why bother? Go for the Third Degree)
• Eyelander/Nessie's Nine Iron/Horseless Headless Horseman's Headtaker (while it does have a longer range than the bottle, the reduction of 25 health and no random crits makes it not as worth it IMHO, and most other swords seem to have better stats)
• Huntsman (though the sniper gets a faster reload, faster charge rate, and I believe bigger hit-boxes with headshots, the thing is really inaccurate and it's really hard to snipe far distances)

[Raz]

Huntsman is meant for offensive sniper, not far away standing-still sniper.
I use it very effectively, I have better aim than normal rifle with the huntsman.

[Suyo]

Soldier: Black Box and Liberty Launcher
The weapons’ advantages are horrible. While the Direct Hit has a different Projectile Speed too, it is different enough to make switching between it and other Launchers. That’s not the same with the Liberty Lawnchair, which really threw off my Stock Launcher aim when I used it for a week or so. The Black Box promotes playing without a Medic since you can heal yourself. Both of these promote bad gameplay, and the missing fourth rocket is a crippling downside (it basically equals to -25% damage), but the upsides still make these popular with newbies.

Pyro: THE ♥♥♥♥ PHLOGISTINATOR OH CRAP
There’s the Degreaser. Faster weapon switch makes it awesome for Puff and Sting strategies, such as the glorious Axtinguisher and Flare Gun crits. There’s the Stock Flamethrower. It’s a balanced choice beetween regular ambushes and the above technique. There’s the Backburner. Great for a flanking Pyro who knows how to get behind people and just ambushes them – it has a large W+M1 following and I used to hate it, but I’ve got a new target.
The Phlogistinator is the most horrible thing Valve has added to the game. It does not have an airblast AT ALL, which is the most important tool of a Pyro, and promotes the worst gameplay you can have. And with the crit boost you get for JUST BURNING PEOPLE even the most horrible W+M1 idiots can get a bunch of free kills.

Sniper: Machina
The Machina encourages bodyshots, which is bad. I’m not one of those guys who will write you angry XBLA messages telling you my parents working and XBox will ban you bcuz u suk @ lief more hedshot faget, but it just does triple damage, that’s the point. There’s a bunch of occassions where bodyshots are pretty cool (cleaning up people running away, increasing the chance to take our Medics in one hit…), but since the damage bonus only applies on full charge, you have no advantage. You just think you have one, which means many people I’ve seen don’t even try to aim for the head and instead go for bodyshots and LOLCOLLATERALS. And I’m not even started on what effect losing noscopes has on mid-range fights.
Also, I bet you were confused why I didn't put Sydney Sleeper up there and then go on with headshots are better than bodyshots hurr durr. It’s quite easy: the massive downside, no headshots with the Piss Rifle, is matched by the massive upside, IT SHOOTS PISS. You might be wondering how this is good, but remember that people with piss on them take 1.5x damage. That means, virtually, a Heavy has just 200 health, a Soldier goes down to about 133, and a Medic has just 100 health when pissed off. That’s a huge advantage, and as a Sniper you can just sit in the backfield, shoot bodily fluids at people and be a huge credit to team, while the enemy team has almost no chance against the most powerful rifle in the game. That, obviously, only counts when you can communicate with your team well and work together to take out priority targets.

Medic: Blutsauger
Usually, if you are suffering from afterburn, the regeneration keeps you alive. You can't die from bleed or burn. The Blutsauger removes that - so if you die because you were burned or hit by a bleed weapon, here's your problem.

[Megar]

I'm telling you, the Blutsauger doesn't make anything negative for me.

[Raz]

Rescue Ranger
Good/bad


I have nothing to say for why it's bad, because I honestly know that it's bad in a lot of cases, I just haven't seen or witnessed them myself, as an engineer main.


This weapon is amazing in EVERYTHING MvM related. I love this weapon in Mvm. I haven't used it much outside of that but w/e, I still prefer the


Frontier Justice
GOOD
I don't notice the less clip.
All I notice is CRITS EVERYWHERE, especially with gunslinger.

[*Emelia K. Fletcher]

Cozy Camper - Bad
See all those upsides? Yeah, they barely do anything for you. Your natural enemies (Spies, other Snipers) will still be able to kill you just as quickly, and you will move like a snail.

[Raz]

Cozy Camper - Bad
See all those upsides? Yeah, they barely do anything for you. Your natural enemies (Spies, other Snipers) will still be able to kill you just as quickly, and you will move like a snail.

I only use it for bushwacka jumping on VSH.

[ChaosYoshi]

Medic: Blutsauger
Usually, if you are suffering from afterburn, the regeneration keeps you alive. You can't die from bleed or burn. The Blutsauger removes that - so if you die because you were burned or hit by a bleed weapon, here's your problem.

I'm actually pretty good with the Blutsauger, especially if I'm going as a battle medic, and I can usually heal myself enough by hitting the pyro that lit me, usually killing the pyro if he continues to chase me. However, that's the only time I use it.

[Zunar]

I guess I could put my two cents in here for a few weapons. I could provide an explanation for every single weapon, but that would be a long list and I doubt anyone would read that. If you guys want me to, then I will, but as of now, I won't. Anyway, I'll focus on some priority weapons.

Pocket Pistol - Good
I like this thing, honestly. So what if you're more vulnerable to Pyros? Chances are if you meet one, no matter what you have, you're screwed. The slower firing speed can be a pain, but I think it's made up for with the extra health and no fall damage.

Righteous Bison - Good
I honestly don't see the problems with this weapon, besides the fact that it does little damage to buildings, but why would you use your secondary to take out sentries anyway? It doesn't need ammo, reloads pretty fast, and the projectile pierces enemies. I do admit that it seems the projectile itself is slower, but overall I think the Bison's pretty good, in contrast to the Cow Mangler, which sucks.

Flare Gun - Bad
I've tried using this thing, but in all honesty, the Shotgun's better, especially when paired with the Degreaser. With the Flare Gun, you only get one shot before you have to reload, which means your accuracy has to be spot-on. In the time it takes you to land a flare, you could pump them full of shotgun shells. I do not see the usefulness of this weapon at all.

Jag - Good
This thing is a beast on defense. You can get your buildings built faster, closing up a hole in your defenses before the enemy and get through. What's that about a damage penalty? Screw that mess, who uses their wrench to kill people anyway? Shotgun those mofos.