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Re: FEZ 2

Postby Ridder » July 27th, 2013, 9:51 pm

Update: Phil Fish has commented on the recent cancellation of Fez II, saying:

"To be clear, I'm not cancelling Fez II because some boorish ♥♥♥♥ said something stupid, I'm doing it to get out of games. And I'm getting out of games because I choose not to put up with this abuse anymore."



To anyone who thought he was just going to "bounce back".
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Re: FEZ 2

Postby Suyo » July 27th, 2013, 11:57 pm

Raz wrote:it's just karma for Phil being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

I don't see how this is being more of an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ than the guy who actually made the video, or any of the people who gave him hell the past few days.
The last three days were basically pretty much hell for him. Every day, people found new things to blame him for. His reply feed was a constant stream of negativity towards him.
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Re: FEZ 2

Postby Ridder » July 28th, 2013, 12:19 am

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi ... ll-Himself
Do we have some sort of "dislike" button for articles? Reading this article gave me a bitter feeling of disgust towards whoever wrote it. Now, before I begin I would like to point out that I'm no way supporting Phil Fish's attitude, everyone knows the man is a walking PR disaster. No, the following rant is directed to the person that wrote this article.

Let's start with the title, shall we? "Fez Dev tells Media Member to Kill Himself", quite the reader trap. You could've easily changed the title to something equally dramatic like "Phil Fish murders puppies for fun" and get the same attention from viewers. The article itself is brief and quick to deliver a point, and the writer's intended point seems to be "PHIL FISH IS BEING A ♥♥♥♥, AGAIN". It's blatantly one sided, leaving out important details of the story. Yes, it does mention the Invisible Walls thing *in one single sentence* and tries to make it seem like the worst thing this Marcus Beer guy did was calling him "Blowfish", but it fails to mention that Beer spent several minutes lashing out against Phil Fish and Jonathan Blow (from Braid) for not wanting to state their options about Microsoft's Indie Publishing and taking a direct aim at insulting Fish whenever possible, calling him a "♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" and a "Whiny Tosspot" among other things. Then you proceed to mock Phil Fish in a rather unprofessional way with snappy remarks for the sake of being "funny" and then you add (further) insult to injury by comparing Fish to some equally unlikable gaming personality like Adam Orth just because they both stated their personal opinions on Twitter and it backfired on them (FYI: also not defending Adam Orth).

Now, let's take a moment and think about Phil Fish for a moment. The guy's been taking crap all over before and after releasing FEZ, think about all that negative feedback he's been constantly getting ever since. And yes, most of the times that crap was in some way related to something retardedly stupid that he said, something that any public figure with common sense would never say in a open public channel such as Twitter. But there's only so much crap a person can take before everything bursts out, and in the case of our dear Phil Fish, him being the outspoken hot-headed man-child we know, this Twitter blowup was only expected of him.

Once again, I'm neither defending nor attacking Fish. The man fails to understand that making a rather successful indie game made him a public figure in the gaming industry, and as such he should think before talking (or Tweeting) about something that can potentially end up in crap like this. What upsets me is the way this article keeps on reinforcing the same "Phil Fish is an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥" kind-of-meme and pushes readers into disliking this character and to keep making fun of him, instead of giving actual complete information and letting readers decide if it's worth defending his reasoning or not.


I've never played Fez, I'm sure it's a great game. I'm just not sure this Phil guy is ready to handle all the ♥♥♥♥ that all the modern "game-centric" media sharks can provide.
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Re: FEZ 2

Postby Megar » July 28th, 2013, 3:19 am

f is all i have to say on this
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Re: FEZ 2

Postby *Emelia K. Fletcher » July 28th, 2013, 3:32 am

people seem to have trouble separating the artist from the art


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Re: FEZ 2

Postby Raz » July 28th, 2013, 3:35 am

Suyo wrote:
Raz wrote:it's just karma for Phil being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

I don't see how this is being more of an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ than the guy who actually made the video, or any of the people who gave him hell the past few days.
The last three days were basically pretty much hell for him. Every day, people found new things to blame him for. His reply feed was a constant stream of negativity towards him.

I don't care. If you want to be in the gaming business you have to be prepared to take ♥♥♥♥, and be professional about it. Replying to people about how they should kill themselves is unnaceptable in a game dev.
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Disclaimer: none of these messages have been edited, context can be provided if needed (thanks discord!) but absolutely does not change anything about these messages and that he's too overly defensive and cocky to make situations better

Karyete: I don't have anything to say to you, I've been deliberately trying to not offend you for years, actually, but apparently everything I say to you is wrong. You come across as so aggressive that you successfully intimidated me into not wanting to talk to you
Karyete: Seriously, what is your problem? And not only that, you fail to even acknowledge you might be in some wrong here.
Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
Karyete: How pathetic
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Re: FEZ 2

Postby Suyo » July 28th, 2013, 4:31 am

Raz wrote:I don't care. If you want to be in the gaming business you have to be prepared to take ♥♥♥♥, and be professional about it. Replying to people about how they should kill themselves is unnaceptable in a game dev.

I do not see how this is a requirement. Maybe it is for AAA devs, but for Indie games, things are different. Their motivation is not money, but just the love for the game as a medium. They don't have to give a ♥♥♥♥ about PR if they want - as long as the game is out and some people enjoy it, they reached their goal. And since in the indie business, the dev has full responsibility and is often linked directly to the game (as opposed to big teams), it's far harder for them to keep quiet when baseless insults are thrown at them. If you blame Fish, you should also blame Team Meat, Brian Provinciano, Jonathan Blow, every indie who has ever spoken up about problems.

By the way, the "kill yourself" thing was a quote from Futurama.
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Re: FEZ 2

Postby brandoprojectm » July 28th, 2013, 6:19 pm

Not saying this reflects my opinion on Phil Fish, hell I couldn't be more indifferent since I didn't even like Fez that much, but I found this to be pretty funny.

Just remember this, when you see her on the street.

I'm the cruelest girl you'll ever meet.
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Re: FEZ 2

Postby Suyo » July 30th, 2013, 2:18 pm

Turns out the best video I've seen about this topic by now is on the same site as the most sensationalist piece of ♥♥♥♥ ever written.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/ ... 31-Go-Fish
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