Super Smash Bros. 4

[megamario126]

I knew you would.

[Ridder]

Possibilities are great, Limits are not.
For example, that incredibly long list of characters, It would be a pain to balance all those characters and make sure they are all well known and not copies of each other and make sure they can do four special moves and make sure the player can actually feel a sense of "Fun" while playing them.

Create Mode would just put a leash on things, because you certainly can't make 1000 characters or 20000 stages and expect for the game to keep track of all that.(Plus, people would probably only create characters/stages/music that they like)

these ideas sound somewhat decent. but really.

(What would the difference between Pichu and Raichu/Megaman,Protoman,Bass/Coco B.,Crash B, and Crunch B. be?)

RIDDER- Always having to be the downer.

[Blablob]

Possibilities are great, Limits are not.
For example, that incredibly long list of characters, It would be a pain to balance all those characters and make sure they are all well known and not copies of each other and make sure they can do four special moves and make sure the player can actually feel a sense of "Fun" while playing them.

Create Mode would just put a leash on things, because you certainly can't make 1000 characters or 20000 stages and expect for the game to keep track of all that.(Plus, people would probably only create characters/stages/music that they like)

these ideas sound somewhat decent. but really.

(What would the difference between Pichu and Raichu/Megaman,Protoman,Bass/Coco B.,Crash B, and Crunch B. be?)

RIDDER- Always having to be the downer.

well, now Ridder. Well all that is fine, it's not all true. SSBB had 35 unique characters, and every one of them are well balanced. None of them are copies. And there would be limits to te create mode, but so what if we create stuff that we like? We're the ones who bought the game, so we should be able to enjoy it. You say it like it's a bad thing. I mean, really. SSBB had a lot of surprises, and they went well. The great is not always the impossible, Ridder.

[Ridder]

SSBB had 35 unique characters, and every one of them are well balanced.None of them are copies.

Biggest.Lie.Ever.

Ike-Slow, but does 26% a slightly charged hit.
Metaknight-Very Fast, Flexible, can FLY.
Pit-..........oh yeah we all know the problem with this guy.

Mario-does everything by the book, which,sadly, get's him killed a lot.


*Falco-Fast,strong,chain grabber, and still somehow manages to kick others out of the screen.
*Fox-Fast,too fast,weak,too weak, and overall, too SLIPPY.
*Wolf-Strong,slow,a few bad moves.

*=What they all have in common? LAAAND MASTAAAAA, oh, and they all have different versions of all specials they do.

[Blablob]

SSBB had 35 unique characters, and every one of them are well balanced.

Biggest.Lie.Ever.

Ike-Slow, but does 26% a slightly charged hit.
Metaknight-Very Fast, Flexible, can FLY.
Pit-..........oh yeah we all know the problem with this guy.

Mario-does everything by the book, which,sadly, get's him killed a lot.


*Falco-Fast,strong,chain grabber, and still somehow manages to kick others out of the screen.
*Fox-Fast,too fast,weak,too weak, and overall, too SLIPPY.
*Wolf-Strong,slow,a few bad moves.

*=What they all have in common? LAAAND MASTAAAAA, oh, and they all have different versions of all specials they do.

Dude, do you have any idea what this means? I said they were unique, and you said that was a lie. Yet you just poineted out the exact reason they were unique by listing different qualities they have. and they ARE balanced, it's just that those advanced characters are for advanced players, and that...okay, think about it. If we had just a bunch of plain characters, that'd be no fun. but you add characters like ike into the mix, and it gets fun. He's hard to control, which means you'll have to practice, but once your good with him, you'll be an advenced player.

[megamario126]

Riddler, so what if there too many characters? What if Nintendo's next system can handle that much characters? And blablob's Create Mode is very original. If Nintendo added a mode like that, this game would might top over Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Tekken, etc.

[Ridder]

Blablob says so what if we create stuff we like for a comeback on the "Create Mode" Idea, we bought the game.

That's the problem, are the others going to like your choices? If you choose to make a piece of music undoubtedly loud and obnoxious, it's going to throw off some of your friends gaming.
If you decide to make an unfair and large stage, the other players will hate you more.
If you decide to make a completely overpowered character, your friends might copy you or call you names.
You're going to like it, but anyone who used to play with you might not.
So, you're going to be that lone guy there, playing against those CPU's who don't really provide a challenge.....

And to the one who so kindly addressed someone called "Riddler", Can you be sure those characters will be good? or will they be like Jigglypuff and have a side B that they can do with an A already?can you make up four B attacks, four A attacks, three A CHARGED attacks, three air attacks, one crouch attack,four grab attacks, a way of jumping, three taunts, fair attack percentages, unique attacks, a speed value,a strength value, a gravity value, and a final smash and STILL be balanced?

See, the ideas sound all well and good, but Create Mode just might be a Do-It-Yourself kind of thing (Kind of complicated), and it would probably drive off others when you peck them about choosing your stuff.
And that long list of characters might just be too much work, so much that some characters will (Biggest surprise) just end up copies of each other, while some will just suck.

(Oh and Blablob also said that Ike was "Hard to control" which is a not true considering I won all the matches at the beginning when we got the game with relative ease, Ike isn't hard, he is just this.)

[Demonik]

You need to add Pico, Samurai Goro and Toad to that character list. Pico because he's just plain awesome, Samurai Goro because he's Captain Falcon's rival, and it just makes sense to add him, and Toad because he's deserved to be in Smash Bros. since Melee. He's a bodyguard for goodness sake! He shouldn't be used as a bloody B move!

And yeah, the custom creation stuff wouldn't work too well. The create-a-stage was a good addition to Brawl, but things like character creation would just unbalance the game severely. As Ridder said, people would simply create characters with the best parts/attributes. Not to mention the fact that the created character wouldn't really fit into the bunch of Nintendo characters.

If they were to add a character customization however, after you've crafted him/her out of the body parts the game would offer (with a little personal customization, like eye colour, nose size, mouth size, etc to make your character that much more unique) they could then grant each of your creations a set amount of skill points that you can set to certain attributes. For example, you'd be given maybe 20 points, and you can choose how to distribute them. You could give maybe ten to speed, seven to strength and three to weight. I must admit, if that were the case, I'd be pretty stoked.

[Blablob]

Blablob says so what if we create stuff we like for a comeback on the "Create Mode" Idea, we bought the game.

That's the problem, are the others going to like your choices? If you choose to make a piece of music undoubtedly loud and obnoxious, it's going to throw off some of your friends gaming.
If you decide to make an unfair and large stage, the other players will hate you more.
If you decide to make a completely overpowered character, your friends might copy you or call you names.
You're going to like it, but anyone who used to play with you might not.
So, you're going to be that lone guy there, playing against those CPU's who don't really provide a challenge.....

And to the one who so kindly addressed someone called "Riddler", Can you be sure those characters will be good? or will they be like Jigglypuff and have a side B that they can do with an A already?can you make up four B attacks, four A attacks, three A CHARGED attacks, three air attacks, one crouch attack,four grab attacks, a way of jumping, three taunts, fair attack percentages, unique attacks, a speed value,a strength value, a gravity value, and a final smash and STILL be balanced?

dude, you make it sound like if you make a song that sucks, and others listen to it, they'll hate you. That is very untrue. The music in the backround simply adds feel to the battle; some of the songs on melee and brawl didn't go to well (DK rap), but I continued to play the stage the music was set on, just because....you don't play because of the music. And anyway, who's to say the music is bad anyway? I'm sure if enough work is done on a song that a lot of people will like it, and the majority people don't have bad taste in music, so i'm sure the creator would take that into consideration.

second, about the charactor creator, yes it could allow some great disadvantages in the game itself, but then, everyone has this advantage. I can create a dragon, and you can create a samerai warior, so you know....who would win? I'm not saying it would always be fair; but of course, there has to be a price for the best moves, or the greatest FS. You must pay fees up to 300 coins for a single move, and if you were to buy every good move in the game, it'd come to a total of around 20,000 coins...over the coin limit. and you can't save the partly created character, get some coins, and come back. you have to make it, or leave and start over. This is to help not make a greatly disadvantaged character, but is more like "I have the greatest forward smash, and you have the greatest up smash", stuff like that. Does that make sense, ridder?

[megamario126]

Blablob says so what if we create stuff we like for a comeback on the "Create Mode" Idea, we bought the game.

That's the problem, are the others going to like your choices? If you choose to make a piece of music undoubtedly loud and obnoxious, it's going to throw off some of your friends gaming.
If you decide to make an unfair and large stage, the other players will hate you more.
If you decide to make a completely overpowered character, your friends might copy you or call you names.
You're going to like it, but anyone who used to play with you might not.
So, you're going to be that lone guy there, playing against those CPU's who don't really provide a challenge.....

And to the one who so kindly addressed someone called "Riddler", Can you be sure those characters will be good? or will they be like Jigglypuff and have a side B that they can do with an A already?can you make up four B attacks, four A attacks, three A CHARGED attacks, three air attacks, one crouch attack,four grab attacks, a way of jumping, three taunts, fair attack percentages, unique attacks, a speed value,a strength value, a gravity value, and a final smash and STILL be balanced?

See, the ideas sound all well and good, but Create Mode just might be a Do-It-Yourself kind of thing (Kind of complicated), and it would probably drive off others when you peck them about choosing your stuff.
And that long list of characters might just be too much work, so much that some characters will (Biggest surprise) just end up copies of each other, while some will just suck.

(Oh and Blablob also said that Ike was "Hard to control" which is a not true considering I won all the matches at the beginning when we got the game with relative ease, Ike isn't hard, he is just this.)

Okay, Riddler. I will make my own moveset for the characters I've chosen for SSB4. Just you wait.