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2016 US Election
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Re: 2016 US Election
by Raz » November 13th, 2016, 10:48 am
He's not really known as a man of his word, and that's what people are worried about. Since people somehow keep forgetting why people are scared: NO ONE KNOWS WHAT TRUMP PLANS ON DOING. He barely even knows. He changes his mind on something every two seconds. And furthermore, it's NOT JUST TRUMP. Him being elected enabled bigots to be bigots, they think the country agrees with them now that he's won. Not only that, he has people in his cabinet that aren't pro-LGBT. I've probably said all of this 40000 times, acting as if his words are credible is completely ignoring the rest of the election where he went back on half of his policies all the time. It's not a bright future for LGBT people, so it's our right as the people, not the government, to defend them.
Just one example of where he has no idea what his views are:
Yes, he did say that.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/po ... .html?_r=0
Just one example of where he has no idea what his views are:
Yes, he did say that.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/us/po ... .html?_r=0
Disclaimer: none of these messages have been edited, context can be provided if needed (thanks discord!) but absolutely does not change anything about these messages and that he's too overly defensive and cocky to make situations better
Karyete: I don't have anything to say to you, I've been deliberately trying to not offend you for years, actually, but apparently everything I say to you is wrong. You come across as so aggressive that you successfully intimidated me into not wanting to talk to you
Karyete: Seriously, what is your problem? And not only that, you fail to even acknowledge you might be in some wrong here.
Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
Karyete: How pathetic
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Re: 2016 US Election
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by Kimonio » November 13th, 2016, 3:16 pm
There are several factors that played into the candidates and the disparity between choosing.
With Hillary:
- We had mismanaged emails
- We had her questionable health
- We had the Podesta email scandal
- We had the Epstein case files
- We had a supposed sex ring towards the end
- We had her anti-LGBT rhetoric in the past
- We had her lack of understanding or management thereof with internet culture and social media
- We had donations used for the campaign from overseas(and if directly towards the campaign, that would be illegal)
With Trump:
- We had the Epstein case files
- We had sexual assault cases(all dropped towards the end)
- We had his remarks towards minorities
- We had a questionable background in family and business
- We had a lack of trust in finances
- We had attempted soliciting of international leader's financial support(♥♥♥♥ Donald Jr man)
- We had Mike Pence
So naturally it's pretty easy to see WHY people were so adamant about voting neither. Do you vote for someone who disposes of her emails against the law? Do you elect a man who may not have the funds he says he does? Do you pick the lady who could be part of a child prostitution scandal? What about a man who may have been guilty of sexual contact with minors in the alleged presence of a convicted and registered pedophile?
That's why I never liked the "lesser of two evils" argument to begin with. You're here to tell me if I pick an an enabler of child abuse, I'm doing right to not pick a man with sex scandals. If I don't pick someone deleting what could be condemning evidence for several turning points in her term, I'm doing right to not pick a man that married a communist's daughter.
I don't know about you guys, but I certainly don't play that ♥♥♥♥. Speaking on behalf of third party voters, they and I alike do not see either candidate being the right decision for the job, and despite the difference in numbers and likelihood still exercised the democratic rights bestowed. That doesn't make us the villains, but it certainly was better than had we not simply abstained entirely.
Speaking of, don't diss the third party, because there is a group more solely responsible for the outcome.
Source: http://www.electproject.org/2016g
I can't put my input on these types of ordeals simply because I'm mostly just the silent voice, but if the right is basing their presumptions on the media, and the media is focusing on the negatives of the options and of the American people, it might be in our best interest to start dealing with the ♥♥♥♥ that's influencing these voters before we have another election like 2016.
Like kick some ♥♥♥ for starting trash fires at a protest goddamn it
With Hillary:
- We had mismanaged emails
- We had her questionable health
- We had the Podesta email scandal
- We had the Epstein case files
- We had a supposed sex ring towards the end
- We had her anti-LGBT rhetoric in the past
- We had her lack of understanding or management thereof with internet culture and social media
- We had donations used for the campaign from overseas(and if directly towards the campaign, that would be illegal)
With Trump:
- We had the Epstein case files
- We had sexual assault cases(all dropped towards the end)
- We had his remarks towards minorities
- We had a questionable background in family and business
- We had a lack of trust in finances
- We had attempted soliciting of international leader's financial support(♥♥♥♥ Donald Jr man)
- We had Mike Pence
So naturally it's pretty easy to see WHY people were so adamant about voting neither. Do you vote for someone who disposes of her emails against the law? Do you elect a man who may not have the funds he says he does? Do you pick the lady who could be part of a child prostitution scandal? What about a man who may have been guilty of sexual contact with minors in the alleged presence of a convicted and registered pedophile?
That's why I never liked the "lesser of two evils" argument to begin with. You're here to tell me if I pick an an enabler of child abuse, I'm doing right to not pick a man with sex scandals. If I don't pick someone deleting what could be condemning evidence for several turning points in her term, I'm doing right to not pick a man that married a communist's daughter.
I don't know about you guys, but I certainly don't play that ♥♥♥♥. Speaking on behalf of third party voters, they and I alike do not see either candidate being the right decision for the job, and despite the difference in numbers and likelihood still exercised the democratic rights bestowed. That doesn't make us the villains, but it certainly was better than had we not simply abstained entirely.
Speaking of, don't diss the third party, because there is a group more solely responsible for the outcome.
231,556,622 eligible voters
46.9% didn't vote
25.6% voted for Clinton
25.5% voted for Trump
1.7% voted for Johnson
Source: http://www.electproject.org/2016g
I can't put my input on these types of ordeals simply because I'm mostly just the silent voice, but if the right is basing their presumptions on the media, and the media is focusing on the negatives of the options and of the American people, it might be in our best interest to start dealing with the ♥♥♥♥ that's influencing these voters before we have another election like 2016.
Like kick some ♥♥♥ for starting trash fires at a protest goddamn it
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Re: 2016 US Election
by Raz » November 13th, 2016, 4:08 pm
When you list out the scandals like that, you really make it seem like it's that easy. By listing out the scandals, and doing no research at all on them, (i say this because you mention the child prostitution thing at all, wtf) it makes it seem like they're all true. You aren't acknowledging the fact that she supported gay rights behind the scenes, and you aren't acknowledging that there was almost nothing of interest to come out of her emails. Furthermore, you make it seem like all of this is true with the rest of your post. That is the problem with this country. I'm not saying Clinton didn't have anything wrong with her, but people just don't do proper research anymore.
Disclaimer: none of these messages have been edited, context can be provided if needed (thanks discord!) but absolutely does not change anything about these messages and that he's too overly defensive and cocky to make situations better
Karyete: I don't have anything to say to you, I've been deliberately trying to not offend you for years, actually, but apparently everything I say to you is wrong. You come across as so aggressive that you successfully intimidated me into not wanting to talk to you
Karyete: Seriously, what is your problem? And not only that, you fail to even acknowledge you might be in some wrong here.
Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
Karyete: How pathetic
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Re: 2016 US Election
by Venexis » November 13th, 2016, 4:14 pm
I'm nowhere near as invested in this as you guys but the fact that they've been well publicized on the news means that they ARE true to a very large chunk of the population, regardless of the reality. Why would people do research when the news seems to certain that these are things that really happened and are worth getting worked up over? And... most of those people then continue on to vote.
I agree with the sentiment of doing research, but frankly, it rarely happens, so I think Shad's list is comprehensive for the purposes he intended.
I agree with the sentiment of doing research, but frankly, it rarely happens, so I think Shad's list is comprehensive for the purposes he intended.
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Re: 2016 US Election
by Kimonio » November 13th, 2016, 5:36 pm
It doesn't look like it from the outside, but I'm pretty adamant when I do research on larger issues.
I'm looking through the emails on my own, especially with the Wiener and Podesta headlines, since there was that outing of some reporters from larger names like CNN, Vice, Vox, etc that attended gatherings with her and her team.
But you are right. No one does research anymore. That I can agree on.
Edit: Word is the electoral college doesn't vote until December either.
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Re: 2016 US Election
by Doram » November 13th, 2016, 5:48 pm
Ok, I adored Chapelle's comments on Saturday Night Live, and he brought up a very good point. All of this is STILL not the worst thing America has ever done. American Indians, African Americans, Vietnam, Korea, the list goes on. Let's give the guy a chance. He may manage to screw up the process of screwing up, and manage to do something right. Ultimately, we are all afraid of what he might do, when he hasn't done anything yet.
Besides, there's nothing we can do about it now. Might as well wish him luck at the hardest job in the world.
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Besides, there's nothing we can do about it now. Might as well wish him luck at the hardest job in the world.
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Re: 2016 US Election
by Kimonio » November 13th, 2016, 8:01 pm
I learned fairly recently that South Korea's leader mishandled MILLIONS in their currency to speak with a shaman there.
Here's hoping we don't do that?
Here's hoping we don't do that?
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Re: 2016 US Election
by Raz » November 15th, 2016, 2:14 pm
And? I think he needs to say a lot more than "stop it." at this point. Neither side will stop until then. Obama shouldn't be the one having to deliver the message.
You can post videos of things he says all you want but you'll just further miss the point. He's already began thinking about putting some of the most backwards conservatives possible in his cabinet. You know the old saying "You can tell a lot about a person by looking at who they surround themselves with"? Yeah.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he said SOMETHING about all the hate crimes caused by him winning, but "stop it" is not enough.
Alternatively, I can just post this and get my point across much easier:
You can post videos of things he says all you want but you'll just further miss the point. He's already began thinking about putting some of the most backwards conservatives possible in his cabinet. You know the old saying "You can tell a lot about a person by looking at who they surround themselves with"? Yeah.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he said SOMETHING about all the hate crimes caused by him winning, but "stop it" is not enough.
Alternatively, I can just post this and get my point across much easier:
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Disclaimer: none of these messages have been edited, context can be provided if needed (thanks discord!) but absolutely does not change anything about these messages and that he's too overly defensive and cocky to make situations better
Karyete: I don't have anything to say to you, I've been deliberately trying to not offend you for years, actually, but apparently everything I say to you is wrong. You come across as so aggressive that you successfully intimidated me into not wanting to talk to you
Karyete: Seriously, what is your problem? And not only that, you fail to even acknowledge you might be in some wrong here.
Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
Karyete: How pathetic
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