What is your definition of God?

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What is your definition of God?

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Postby sirknightingfail » April 26th, 2013, 10:55 pm

Whilst drifting Away into sleep a few days ago, I had wondered about the fact that in most monotheistic religions, god encompasses all things and is everywhere. If this is in fact true, then some people might try to say that god is the controller of the physics of interaction. I doubt that any god of that nature would have chose just one type of life to emulate.
I know that people often say that gods cause spiritual experiences and life after death and that stuff, but who is to say where you will end up when you die. I highly doubt that any all-powerful diety would spend time messing around with just a a single planet. But if there were a god who was interested in protecting us, how could we ever possibly get proof?

P.S. i was not high when I thought these thoughts.

I would like to know what you guys think of this

Edit: I noticed that the way I worded this is a bit convoluted and might be interpreted as offensive to those who believe in gods. I apologize for any offense that might have been caused
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Re: What is your definition of God?

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Postby brandoprojectm » April 26th, 2013, 11:09 pm

I am a Christian.

I could very well answer all of these questions for you.

But I won't.

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Re: What is your definition of God?

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Postby Blablob » April 27th, 2013, 4:17 am

I am not a religious person, but I do believe in God. I used to consider myself atheist, but I realize I am much happier believing that I will enjoy eternal bliss after I die.
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Re: What is your definition of God?

Postby darthbrowser » April 27th, 2013, 1:32 pm

According to some implications of string theory, 'pure' energy - in the form of unbounded strings - could possibly exist at extremely high temperatures, such as those experienced during the big bang.

The highest temperatures and pressures we are to observe are present in the Sun - which are sufficient to prevent atoms larger then helium from forming. Temperatures and prssures even greater have long been predicted to exist in certain galatic phenomena which are extreme enough to prevent the formation of even hydrogen - only subatomic particles can exist.

Yet, the attempt made by string theory to elaborate on interactions of physical entities far smaller then those - strings - has raised the possibly of a final 'level' of deformation possible - would the most extreme conditions cause matter and energy to break down all the way to strings?

Two years ago, the stage directly above string dispersion was achieved - quark-gluon plasma. Scientists at the Large Hadron Collider achieved a temperature and pressure so high it caused the matter experiencing it to break down into quarks and gluons - albeit, they were only able to maintain the conditions for a few millionths of a second. A layman's documentation of the research can be seen here: http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2011/05/23/lhc-experiments-dive-into-the-quark-gluon-plasma.

If it is already possible to create a quark-gluon plasma at our current technological level, the probality that string isolation could be achieved in occurances such as the Big Bang - which featured conditions millions of times more extreme then those recreated in the aforementioned experiment - is high.

But why does a string plasma matter?

According to the quantum chronodynamics branch of string theory, isolated strings would behave in odd ways - if prevented from combining with other strings to form quarks, photons, e.t.c., they would interact with each other in ways reminiscent of binary switchs, the basic logic gate in all computers and similar electronics. This means that a sufficient amount of free strings, in theory, could act like a computer.

If intelligence as measured by mental 'processing power' is required to result in sentience, then a string plasma could, by mimicking an incredibly efficient supercomputer, become self-aware. If this was to occur, the resultant being would be omnipotent - it would be formed entirely of 'pure' energy.

Such an entity would fit all monotheistic depictions of God, as one having absolute power, eternal life, e.t.c.

As for evidence for such a being, an interesting claim has already made. By combining the apparently (and inexplicitly) ordered nature of the universe with the fact that much of the mass we should observe is unaccounted for, some have cited that possible that this God does indeed exist - the massive amount of matter in the form of energy (i.e. strings) that compose its consciousness represent all the "missing" matter - that which was present at the Big Bang theory but since disappeared.

The idea is that, during the Big Bang, conditions were extreme enough to cause string isolation, and that a very large portion of the mass present essentially became sentient - God. This is an alternative to the more mainstream theory of Dark Matter - which states that the matter we should observe is indeed present, we just lack the ability to observe it for various reasons at this time.

Summary(TL;DR): According to string theory, the existence of an omnipotent being - God - is scientifically plausible. In fact, the existence of such a being would even be a valid alternative to the hypothetical Dark Matter.

Just throwing that out there, as many people dismiss the idea of God because they do not believe it is scientifly possible.
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Re: What is your definition of God?

Postby AWESOMEJACK27 » April 28th, 2013, 5:51 am

some guy who doesn't exist that a bunch of crazy people made up
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Re: What is your definition of God?

Postby nin10mode » April 28th, 2013, 7:42 am

Well, I guess people are entitled to their opinion. If there was a thumbs down, I would use it though. Not so much that you're atheist, but more so that you seem to hate theists and are not supporting your opinion.

The people at the time weren't crazy. They had no means of knowing anything about their surroundings. No research from previous generations, no technology to research, etc. And they were curious about how they came into existence, so they took to believing in an omniscient being and a religion to accompany it. We made religions so we could truly look forward to something after our time is done, and to reassure us about the worth of our lives.

Though I digress. I believed and still believe that God is an omnipotent being with no form, that had stopped interfering with the human world as much since the death of his son.

I'm Catholic by the way.
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Re: What is your definition of God?

Postby darthbrowser » April 28th, 2013, 8:53 am

In response to you two, I would say my personal opinion is somewhat corrupted by the science I described in the above post (or is it purified?).

I suppose I would classify myself as one who believes in the existence of a sumpreme being, but I fail to connect that being to any extant religions.

It is likely I would best be placed in the school of Ignosticism. And no, that is not a miss-spelling of agnosticism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism
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Re: What is your definition of God?

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Postby NanTheDark » April 28th, 2013, 7:38 pm

I consider myself a Christian. However, I can't help but wonder and wonder at many possibilities and things... and so, I'll take to opportunity to tell you my crazy theories about God! :P

Well, not theories, but just some ideas...

In a physical level, I think that God is some kind of force that connects everything in the universe (omnipresent, and as such, omniscient), and the purpose of this force is to balance everything, so life and existence is possible. You know the Gaia Theory? Like that, but for the WHOLE UNIVERSE (so yeah, omnipotence). And as part of His balancing, it might help people in need, mostly in ways that aren't noticed (like they said in Futurama, "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"), or sometimes, if really necessary, He just burns a bush and yells at you what you have to do (at least half of the Old Testament...), or does cool miracles. Of course, this only explains "the way God works", at least as far as I can think of it...

As for the origin of the universe, I believe that God could have existed before the universe, either by not being bound to space and time, or by Time Loop (He sends himself to the past from the future. That's part of another crazy theory of mine though). I've also thought that He created the universe because...

...He was lonely, sort of. He was the only thing that existed. That's why He created the universe, and then created Earth, and life. He created living creatures, male and female, to try and ensure that these creatures wouldn't be alone. And he also gave them a limited lifespan, so they would be able to truly appreciate existence. In other words, He created us so we could experience things that He would never experience because of his God-ness, and also so He could have something to love, since God is love, you know. And most of us don't really give anything in return... but He'll love us anyway.

Now for afterlife... I think if God is omnipotent, He can create heaven, no problem. :awe:

I agree with darthbrowser's talk about String Theory. For those who think Science and Religion can't be connected... I'll just say that God's the one who gave us reason. It's only logical that our reason will eventually lead us to Him.

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Re: What is your definition of God?

Postby Kimonio » April 29th, 2013, 5:21 am

I could go into specifics about my beliefs, but it's really early in the morning for me. You're free to ask me....it's mostly theoretics and ideals.

In a summary, I think god is a theory, and I am unwilling to bow and worship one who kills at will and controls life with the snap of his fingers. It's as if I do one thing wrong, he could just say "♥♥♥♥ you Clayton" and I'll die. Why should I worship someone who does that?

It's why I've started leaning to Judaism, but remain agnostic. I don't believe Jesus of Nazareth is the son of god, he was just a person. Without valid evidence he did rise form the grave and conducted all his miracles, I won't believe. There's no point in worshiping him and Yahweh at the same time either. Wouldn't that be polytheism? We'd be worshiping two separate entities.
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Re: What is your definition of God?

Postby *Emelia K. Fletcher » April 29th, 2013, 1:07 pm

I don't care enough about the whole religion debate to actually have an overall opinion, much less an opinion on just the element of a god. :p


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