Riots In Turkey
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Riots In Turkey
by Raz » June 1st, 2013, 10:24 pm
Disclaimer: none of these messages have been edited, context can be provided if needed (thanks discord!) but absolutely does not change anything about these messages and that he's too overly defensive and cocky to make situations better
Karyete: I don't have anything to say to you, I've been deliberately trying to not offend you for years, actually, but apparently everything I say to you is wrong. You come across as so aggressive that you successfully intimidated me into not wanting to talk to you
Karyete: Seriously, what is your problem? And not only that, you fail to even acknowledge you might be in some wrong here.
Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
Karyete: How pathetic
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Re: Riots In Turkey
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by Raz » June 3rd, 2013, 1:16 pm
" You probably know Turkey as a moderate Islamic country but we do not. We were founded secular and grew up in a culture that was tolerant to differences. Our women voted and elected to leadership after The Republic of Turkey was created. Religion was not a tool for politics. Our grandfathers went to mosques to pray but also drank Raki (alcohol) with their friends and never judged others for their lifestyle. Islam has not been our defining identity until this government. What Europe and US sees is a strong government, a good example of a predominantly Muslim nation as a shining beacon to Middle East and a growing economy. What we see is our journalists being prisoned, our army dispersed and a government who single handedly changes the constitution to serve their purpose with the intention of slowly taking away our freedoms. We are being pitted against each other based on our heritage, lifestyle or religious beliefs. This is why we are protesting. We want our original founding principals back. We want the whole world to know: The people on the streets are not the TURKS or MUSLIMS or LIBERALS- they are the PUBLIC that claim their uniting identity back. That identity is SECULAR and UNITED as a nation."
Disclaimer: none of these messages have been edited, context can be provided if needed (thanks discord!) but absolutely does not change anything about these messages and that he's too overly defensive and cocky to make situations better
Karyete: I don't have anything to say to you, I've been deliberately trying to not offend you for years, actually, but apparently everything I say to you is wrong. You come across as so aggressive that you successfully intimidated me into not wanting to talk to you
Karyete: Seriously, what is your problem? And not only that, you fail to even acknowledge you might be in some wrong here.
Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
Karyete: How pathetic
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Re: Riots In Turkey
by darthbrowser » June 3rd, 2013, 1:48 pm
"What Europe and US sees is a strong government, a good example of a predominantly Muslim nation as a shining beacon to Middle East and a growing economy. What we see is our journalists being prisoned, our army dispersed and a government who single handedly changes the constitution to serve their purpose with the intention of slowly taking away our freedoms."
This is an interesting sentiment. Authoritarian governments rarely see economic progress. The reason Turkey's economy is growing is because of massive Western embargoes against trade with most of the Middle East. Turkey is pro-West, wheras many of the vocal muslim members of the Middle East, such as Iran, are the opposite. The rest, such as Saudi Arabia, maintain good relations with the West for buisness reasons but their political sympathies lie elsewhere (for example, Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy which has been known to use force against protesters).
This leaves Turkey as the only Muslim country in which Western investors feel confident to develop. Its pro-West political climate facilitates said economic confidence.
Turkey's support is also valued by the West: Turkey's position allows it to act as a buffer between the Middle East and the former nations of the Warsaw Pact, which have been known to try and interfere in the region.
Unfortunately, it is unlikely that the protesters will recieve help from the West, for two reasons:
1. From the West's point of view, Turkey becoming fundamentalist religiously will allow them to have a true Muslim ally - they currently do not. The other Western ally in the MIddle East as stable as Turkey is Isreal, which is not Muslim. Having a Muslim nation on their side could allow the West to have better relations with the other Muslim nations in the region.
2. Wide-scale revolts in Turkey could lead to a spill-over of Syria's civil war - a worst case scenario would include both nations engulfed in civil war. Such a situation would be diasterious. First of all, it would force Turkey's government to ally with Assad, as they would have a common enemy. Thus, the West would lose Turkey's political support. Second of all, such a conflict would destabilize the entire region, emboldening rouge states like Iran, while providing a threat to nations like Russia, which would likely mobilize its borders to prevent any spill-over of the violence.
This is an interesting sentiment. Authoritarian governments rarely see economic progress. The reason Turkey's economy is growing is because of massive Western embargoes against trade with most of the Middle East. Turkey is pro-West, wheras many of the vocal muslim members of the Middle East, such as Iran, are the opposite. The rest, such as Saudi Arabia, maintain good relations with the West for buisness reasons but their political sympathies lie elsewhere (for example, Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy which has been known to use force against protesters).
This leaves Turkey as the only Muslim country in which Western investors feel confident to develop. Its pro-West political climate facilitates said economic confidence.
Turkey's support is also valued by the West: Turkey's position allows it to act as a buffer between the Middle East and the former nations of the Warsaw Pact, which have been known to try and interfere in the region.
Unfortunately, it is unlikely that the protesters will recieve help from the West, for two reasons:
1. From the West's point of view, Turkey becoming fundamentalist religiously will allow them to have a true Muslim ally - they currently do not. The other Western ally in the MIddle East as stable as Turkey is Isreal, which is not Muslim. Having a Muslim nation on their side could allow the West to have better relations with the other Muslim nations in the region.
2. Wide-scale revolts in Turkey could lead to a spill-over of Syria's civil war - a worst case scenario would include both nations engulfed in civil war. Such a situation would be diasterious. First of all, it would force Turkey's government to ally with Assad, as they would have a common enemy. Thus, the West would lose Turkey's political support. Second of all, such a conflict would destabilize the entire region, emboldening rouge states like Iran, while providing a threat to nations like Russia, which would likely mobilize its borders to prevent any spill-over of the violence.
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