It's truly sad when I hear about news that is honestly appalling. Our First Amendment rights are being infringed upon and mere sarcasm is leading to innocent people being incarcerated for YEARS. I, for one, don't always understand sarcasm as non-literal, but the example of sarcasm in the Justin Carter case is by far epitome of stupidity on the reporter's case (infringing upon the user's rights by compromising his information on the computer) and the law enforcement's case. I was under the impression that you must commit the crime before you can be arrested, not indicted for conspiracy of a wrongful act without a lack of evidence. The 8th Amendment states:
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." (as quoted from http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html)
Why 8-10 years of incarceration for a simple instance of sarcastic exaggeration with no record of violence, weapons in the household, and otherwise little to no evidence of actual violence except for the quote itself? Wouldn't a psychological evaluation determine if he was actually that unstable?
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/29/cart-j29.html
http://globalnews.ca/news/679742/u-s-teen-jailed-for-terrorist-threats-after-comments-he-made-on-facebook/
Clearly, the instigator (the one who called Carter crazy/insane) should be the one being reported for cyberbullying for calling him a name, not the reply in its own self? Really, come on, people. Quit trying to infringe upon my (and everyone else's) rights as a legal citizen of the United States America and grow up.
That's my opinion on the issue. TL;DR: The way they went about punishing this man was undeserved and extreme.
Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
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Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
by WickedOreo » June 30th, 2013, 6:05 am
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Re: Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
by nin10mode » June 30th, 2013, 7:27 am
There goes that thing again. Sarcasm is hard to convey without context.
In this case, the context is shown directly after, so I'm pretty sure the police and reporter are the ones ♥♥♥♥ up in the head.
Imagine that Canadian or whoever found this site. Would half of us be arrested? I guess.
In this case, the context is shown directly after, so I'm pretty sure the police and reporter are the ones ♥♥♥♥ up in the head.
Imagine that Canadian or whoever found this site. Would half of us be arrested? I guess.
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Re: Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
by MessengerOfDreams » June 30th, 2013, 8:31 am
THEY
SAY
THAT
TEENAGERS SCARE THE LIVING ♥♥♥♥ OUT OF ME
THEY CAN CARE LESS AS LONG AS SOMEONE WILL BLEED
SO DARKEN YOUR CLOTHES
OR STRIKE A VIOLENT POSE
MAYBE THEY'LL LEAVE YOU ALONE
BUT NOT ME
SAY
THAT
TEENAGERS SCARE THE LIVING ♥♥♥♥ OUT OF ME
THEY CAN CARE LESS AS LONG AS SOMEONE WILL BLEED
SO DARKEN YOUR CLOTHES
OR STRIKE A VIOLENT POSE
MAYBE THEY'LL LEAVE YOU ALONE
BUT NOT ME
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Re: Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
by Kimonio » June 30th, 2013, 10:59 am
Rumor n my school is I have been plotting to bomb my school. And I know for a fact I have spouted ♥♥♥♥ worse than that when I get pissed.
Anybody else want to pitch in and get this kid out? Because its ♥♥♥♥ like this that makes me refuse to call myself "American".
Anybody else want to pitch in and get this kid out? Because its ♥♥♥♥ like this that makes me refuse to call myself "American".
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Re: Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
by *Emelia K. Fletcher » July 2nd, 2013, 10:12 pm
Jesus Marion ♥♥♥♥ Joseph
America sure is in a situation right now
Once they discover a search engine exists exists on the internet, mass arrests are going down for comments everywhere
America sure is in a situation right now
Once they discover a search engine exists exists on the internet, mass arrests are going down for comments everywhere
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Re: Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
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by Raz » July 2nd, 2013, 11:07 pm
America is bad at internet.
Disclaimer: none of these messages have been edited, context can be provided if needed (thanks discord!) but absolutely does not change anything about these messages and that he's too overly defensive and cocky to make situations better
Karyete: I don't have anything to say to you, I've been deliberately trying to not offend you for years, actually, but apparently everything I say to you is wrong. You come across as so aggressive that you successfully intimidated me into not wanting to talk to you
Karyete: Seriously, what is your problem? And not only that, you fail to even acknowledge you might be in some wrong here.
Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
Karyete: How pathetic
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Re: Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
by Americankid » July 6th, 2013, 10:07 pm
Raz wrote:America is bad at internet.
Hey! I get offended. And I am not bad at the internet.
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Re: Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
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by Venexis » July 7th, 2013, 11:28 am
I think he meant that America as a whole, especially the administrators (read: senators, congressmen, whatever else you guys have in the states- I'm not all that familiar with the terms and titles) still relies primarily upon television news programs to stay up to date. Computers are shunted to the sidelines partially because many of the people leading the country are unwilling to learn them. As such they don't really know how to handle this kind of situation, which takes place over the internet first and in reality second.
It's not aimed at any specific person, in fact a lot of our users here are American. It's just a difficult situation to handle because things like that are commonplace on the internet and there's no way to moderate it or determine who is telling the truth or just being sarcastic. We can't throw everyone in prison because of their online comments, but when something like this makes the frontpage it blows the whole thing way bigger than it should be.
America is bad at the internet because there isn't a single nation that is good at the internet. The very thing that allows incidents like this to happen- namely, the lack of internet censorship- is the same force that allows the internet to do so much good fighting oppressive and corrupt leaders. There's no clear solution. The world is bad at the internet.
It's not aimed at any specific person, in fact a lot of our users here are American. It's just a difficult situation to handle because things like that are commonplace on the internet and there's no way to moderate it or determine who is telling the truth or just being sarcastic. We can't throw everyone in prison because of their online comments, but when something like this makes the frontpage it blows the whole thing way bigger than it should be.
America is bad at the internet because there isn't a single nation that is good at the internet. The very thing that allows incidents like this to happen- namely, the lack of internet censorship- is the same force that allows the internet to do so much good fighting oppressive and corrupt leaders. There's no clear solution. The world is bad at the internet.
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Re: Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
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by Ridder » July 7th, 2013, 12:08 pm
Ah. Oh. I've seen things like this before.
A person is jailed for a crime they didn't commit, sparkling clean record and all, and when they do get out (bodybag or not), they end up a hallow shadow of their former selves. And we have no one to blame but the backwards justice system and our news media.
And yet, no one will be reprimanded, punished, or otherwise fired.
More than anything, this is a case of politically trained middle aged men not knowing how modern society works nowadays or how to interpret a correct solution. This makes me disappointed because I've come to expect this from the legal system by now, and I shouldn't be.
A person is jailed for a crime they didn't commit, sparkling clean record and all, and when they do get out (bodybag or not), they end up a hallow shadow of their former selves. And we have no one to blame but the backwards justice system and our news media.
And yet, no one will be reprimanded, punished, or otherwise fired.
More than anything, this is a case of politically trained middle aged men not knowing how modern society works nowadays or how to interpret a correct solution. This makes me disappointed because I've come to expect this from the legal system by now, and I shouldn't be.
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Re: Justin Carter - Terrorist or Innocent Young Adult?
by Kimonio » July 7th, 2013, 9:53 pm
Well, it would sort of help if politicians would understand how to read internet sarcasm. I blame the person who reported him. He jumped the gun way too early. I understand we have had Colombine and Newtown but sheesh, lay off. Something of that nature will be brought up in spite against curt remarks. It happens online and off.
It is ilegal to pull a knife on someone So are we going to arrest everyone I know who does it as a joke? How about my dad when hes playing around?
What is more surprising is that we have no idea if the US government tapped into his pc and pulled up past records and incidents that meant nothing. I mean, we already know theyve illegally started doing that...since when did they give themselves the title Internet Police?
Because trust me...I have seen sites with worse content than what this boy said on a minial game. So why doesnt America shut them down?……
Meh...I really hate being a citizen here.
It is ilegal to pull a knife on someone So are we going to arrest everyone I know who does it as a joke? How about my dad when hes playing around?
What is more surprising is that we have no idea if the US government tapped into his pc and pulled up past records and incidents that meant nothing. I mean, we already know theyve illegally started doing that...since when did they give themselves the title Internet Police?
Because trust me...I have seen sites with worse content than what this boy said on a minial game. So why doesnt America shut them down?……
Meh...I really hate being a citizen here.
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