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Government being shutdown?

Postby Raz » October 1st, 2013, 1:06 pm

I've read a few articles, and I feel like this is something we should be worried about.

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Redditor wrote:The US government is on partial shutdown. So that means many hundreds of thousands of US government workers will either 1. not be paid to work, or 2. be furloughed (not go in to work). 3. This applies to non-essential workers. Retroactive pay may apply once things are worked out.
This is a budget impasse. Republicans want to roll back some spending with certain provisions (basically, Obamacare is the focus). Before allowing a budget to pass, they wanted provisions delaying Obamacare implementation one year. Democrats would not give in, so nothing happened- no budget. There's been only a temporary budget provision for some time now and it's come to a head as no extension was made. Political brinksmanship at its finest.
Something related- the borrowing limit of the US government will soon max out, and also needs to be raised by Congress, which is a separate, but ongoing and related political fight with significant consequences. The date for this threshold is October 17th (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
Republicans control the house, Democrats the Senate. The House and Senate need to both approve the budget. However, proposals passed by one got shot down by the other, and various proposals bounced around both chambers of the Capitol.
Basically, this shutdown should last a few days- as both sides jockey for political gain. If it goes on a week, it could impact US GDP half a percent. two weeks? maybe 1%. Could be more, or less- but generally it's not perceived to be a good thing.
Whatever happens, we (the U.S), don't have our fiscal or political house in order- it's turned into a circus as of late.
TL;DR The parties have failed to get the job done, the federal government's, more or less, on hold. We're likely kicking the can down the road, again, with any quick fix. It's gonna start to cost us.
30 years from now, what will folks say about the 2010's in the US? anyone?
edit: essential workers
edit 2: as Bonerman pointed out and others - the debt ceiling, while related and politically-bound to the ongoing budget fight, is distinct and separate to the shut down.
edit 3: retroactive pay- sorry for those of you take it in the teeth financially.
edit 4: reddit gold- thanks, appreciated but not necessary. somebody else could have explained it better. i just replied first. Gonna chuck this account in the morning when this thread dies. far too much attention. apologies if you don't like my somewhat critical eye on the matter, or if it crossed your principles.

Government shutdown should trigger automatic elections for every damn seat in Congress. Maybe losing their jobs would provide some incentive.

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Postby Yoshi Boo 118 » October 1st, 2013, 1:34 pm

It's funny how Congress members still get paid during this time.
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Postby *Emelia K. Fletcher » October 1st, 2013, 1:44 pm

America is in one hell of a pickle right now, and I swear to god if the politicians over there do not wake the ♥♥♥♥ up and realize they are controlling a country with millions of people I am going to somehow walk right over the ♥♥♥♥ Atlantic Sea and slap every one of them with a boot


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Postby Raz » October 1st, 2013, 1:47 pm

Gotta love a system where two parties hate each other so much for no apparent reason that they'd rather see the country die than work together.
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Postby MessengerOfDreams » October 1st, 2013, 2:14 pm

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Re: Government being shutdown?

Postby Newgeneration » October 1st, 2013, 3:46 pm

Two parties, opposite views? Yeah sure, nothing could possibly go wrong.

All joking aside, even George Washington back in the good ole days was against this two party system. Now look where we are! This whole system has successfully split the nation into two halves, and a small portion of people willing to listen to reason rather than sticking to one side. (not to mention that big percentage of people who don't care) We should have listened to ole Washington.
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Postby Harmless » October 1st, 2013, 4:08 pm

And here I'm still wondering why they call this country "free".
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Postby ChaosYoshi » October 1st, 2013, 5:03 pm

Oh man, this has been one of the main subjects in my Political Science class for a few sessions now.

One thing I don't get is why the Republicans that are against Obamacare, which makes people buy health insurance from private companies and not from the government itself. The only thing I can think of is that in Romney's version of this healthcare (from what I've heard from my political science class), the government would require you to buy insurance from private companies just like Obamacare, except unlike Obamacare, the government would not help you acquire it if you were in some kind of financial crisis like poverty. Is the only reason for the hate that the money has to come from the peoples' pockets instead? If so, then it seems really pointless because that's what the federal taxes already do. Could someone fill me in?
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Postby Harmless » October 1st, 2013, 8:11 pm

I was never given a lesson on obamacare, sorry.

But from what I do understand is that from what you said, you're explaining the Republicans are more geared towards taxing the higher classes instead of taking from all social classes in general? I'm not sure if this is an attempt to even out wealth distribution or bring in a ton of cash for the government officials. I really hope it isn't the former though.
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Postby Newgeneration » October 2nd, 2013, 11:46 am

Harmless wrote:I was never given a lesson on obamacare, sorry.

But from what I do understand is that from what you said, you're explaining the Republicans are more geared towards taxing the higher classes instead of taking from all social classes in general? I'm not sure if this is an attempt to even out wealth distribution or bring in a ton of cash for the government officials. I really hope it isn't the former though.


Nah, you've got it backwards. He said that the Republicans/Romney's version of "obamacare" would emphasize not helping poor individuals acquire healthcare when these people can't afford it. In other words, if you can't afford it, you can't have it.

But as far as I've heard on news articles and such, they're predicting that this conflict will go on for weeks, and since the views of each side are very opposite, it seems the two just can't come to a conclusion. They need to stop complaining and band together to create the best solution possible.
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