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The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
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Re: The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
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by Doram » September 2nd, 2014, 10:18 am
Well, I have to agree that if I don't want random people to see me naked, I shouldn't have ANY pictures of me naked - physical, digital, in the cloud, in my camera, on my computer, ANYWHERE. That's what mirrors are for.
On the other hand, I know that plenty of people out there take great pride in their sexuality, and enjoy expressing that in all the ways that we humans can express things, including artistically. In the same way that some people will find great pride in seeing their name in the newspaper or on a building, others will find great pride in seeing a beautiful picture of themselves, clothed or not. There is technically nothing wrong with that either.
A final issue that hasn't been addressed yet is the fact that society is stupid for considering nudity wrong. None of this would be an issue at all, if we all could honestly say that being naked is not actually a sin against nature, because, well, that is actually our natural state. Once you take all the artificial civilization away, we're all naked underneath. There's plenty of things in life that require nudity, from taking a shower to getting a physical examination from a doctor, and it really isn't as big a deal as everyone tends to make it out to be. And, by the way, sex isn't evil either.
So, yeah. An ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ went and stole a bunch of private stuff from a bunch of people, and went and showed it to the world. Congratulations. He's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and committed a crime. Arrest him. All of the people that had stuff exposed clearly had their kinky sides, and unwisely decided to put evidence of that in a spot that was unsecured. Congratulations. They are both human, and made a mistake. It's a Tuesday. Shrug and move on.
Can we possibly talk about something important like world peace or ending hunger, please.
On the other hand, I know that plenty of people out there take great pride in their sexuality, and enjoy expressing that in all the ways that we humans can express things, including artistically. In the same way that some people will find great pride in seeing their name in the newspaper or on a building, others will find great pride in seeing a beautiful picture of themselves, clothed or not. There is technically nothing wrong with that either.
A final issue that hasn't been addressed yet is the fact that society is stupid for considering nudity wrong. None of this would be an issue at all, if we all could honestly say that being naked is not actually a sin against nature, because, well, that is actually our natural state. Once you take all the artificial civilization away, we're all naked underneath. There's plenty of things in life that require nudity, from taking a shower to getting a physical examination from a doctor, and it really isn't as big a deal as everyone tends to make it out to be. And, by the way, sex isn't evil either.
So, yeah. An ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ went and stole a bunch of private stuff from a bunch of people, and went and showed it to the world. Congratulations. He's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and committed a crime. Arrest him. All of the people that had stuff exposed clearly had their kinky sides, and unwisely decided to put evidence of that in a spot that was unsecured. Congratulations. They are both human, and made a mistake. It's a Tuesday. Shrug and move on.
Can we possibly talk about something important like world peace or ending hunger, please.
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Re: The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
by ~MP3 Amplifier~ » September 2nd, 2014, 10:31 am
I read about this, and half these nudes are fake. Hackers who tried to get hold of inappropriate pictures of celebrities and couldn't find any of them ended up editing pictures/faking them and pretending it was from a celebrity when it wasn't. It's ♥♥♥♥ up, sure, but thankfully there are a lot of people you think have been targeted and are actually safe or have had fake pictures claimed to be them, not real ones.
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Re: The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
by Harmless » September 2nd, 2014, 1:03 pm
It takes two to tango though. I agree that fault falls on the people for uploading that stuff in the first place. Then you have the people who are willing to take advantage of it and perform the deed for whatever messed up reason.
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Re: The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
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by MessengerOfDreams » September 2nd, 2014, 1:59 pm
Seriously, this whole "the victim deserved it for uploading those snapshots" mindset is just a derivative of the "was she wearing skimpy clothes when she was assaulted" problem. Someone being naked doesn't give others the right to take those photos for themselves, they should not be punished for it.
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Re: The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
by Harmless » September 2nd, 2014, 7:04 pm
wrote that above post because i thought there wasn't a second page with doram and amp
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Re: The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
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by Bogdan » September 3rd, 2014, 1:51 am
There are people who produce explicit pictures of themselves or dress in skimpy outfits and simply don't mind. "As long as I feel great being myself I don't care what others say/think about me". OK I'm fine with that, go be as happy about yourself as much you could.
But there are other kind of people, who do the same thing except they feel terrible being caught or talked behind their backs about the material they created or how they dress. This is where I want to point that if you don't want to be "humiliated" in front of people just because you made nude photos or dress skimpy then don't do it. It's as simple as that and if you do, just think and aknoweledge the consquences that may appear. Let's assume 1 of X celebrities that had their cloud accounts hacked doesn't really mind about the pictures, while another one may worry and feels ashamed and wished it didn't do it. Personally I don't have anything against people showing the human body and taking pride it in, but I will never do it myself. I can sleep better if I know pictures of myself naked don't exist and will never, ever reach anybody.
A kind of example can be one of my classmates, that has a really weird style of clothing IMO, the pants are always pretty short and tight, shirts are really transparent, it's hard to not see through it (why bother with shirt anyway after all?), when she has more opaque clothes she wears cleavages and so on. And naturally it drags attention and sometimes complains about people starring at her. Look if you don't want people to stare at you, then don't cloth like that. "Oh my, but Bog, people need to control themselves, rather than telling one single individual to cloth differently". No, we still have something called "instinct" and if it wasn't for years of evolution of both humans, human behaviour and society then everyone would proceed to reproduce and thus the concept of "rape" wouldn't exit. Fortunatelly that doesn't happen, yet it's still in our genes. If you are okay with dragging attention then OK, I'm really fine with it, but if you just want to keep away from the eyes of others, then try being a bit more careful about that. After all, we cannot force 27 pairs of eyes to stop looking at one single individual, no?
When it comes to more serious things, I will never blame the victim (for instance: rape), but both parties should try to respect the concept of decency, it was introduced for a reason. Now, rape can happen in a lot of conditions, be the victim provoking or not and it's really a delicate discussion and there the blame goes to the person who just couldn't control his instinct about mating. But when comes to this kind of stuff, like the nude photos people do have to think about it.
In another discussion, I suggested you read about Rodney Alcala. When saw the documentary about him on Discovery ID, I saw he had a pretty big collection of explicit photos with his victims, as the photo-camera became his "logo". I heard he tried to seduce a lot of teenagers, boys or girls and some of them would just agree to pose for him. Now get to the point of where I'm just trying to say people have to think before creating this materials? And even if they do create accept the consquences. That's all I wanted to say and expect more people to see that pictures than you normally would. While being judged Alcala insisted that everyone in the court to view his work.
But there are other kind of people, who do the same thing except they feel terrible being caught or talked behind their backs about the material they created or how they dress. This is where I want to point that if you don't want to be "humiliated" in front of people just because you made nude photos or dress skimpy then don't do it. It's as simple as that and if you do, just think and aknoweledge the consquences that may appear. Let's assume 1 of X celebrities that had their cloud accounts hacked doesn't really mind about the pictures, while another one may worry and feels ashamed and wished it didn't do it. Personally I don't have anything against people showing the human body and taking pride it in, but I will never do it myself. I can sleep better if I know pictures of myself naked don't exist and will never, ever reach anybody.
A kind of example can be one of my classmates, that has a really weird style of clothing IMO, the pants are always pretty short and tight, shirts are really transparent, it's hard to not see through it (why bother with shirt anyway after all?), when she has more opaque clothes she wears cleavages and so on. And naturally it drags attention and sometimes complains about people starring at her. Look if you don't want people to stare at you, then don't cloth like that. "Oh my, but Bog, people need to control themselves, rather than telling one single individual to cloth differently". No, we still have something called "instinct" and if it wasn't for years of evolution of both humans, human behaviour and society then everyone would proceed to reproduce and thus the concept of "rape" wouldn't exit. Fortunatelly that doesn't happen, yet it's still in our genes. If you are okay with dragging attention then OK, I'm really fine with it, but if you just want to keep away from the eyes of others, then try being a bit more careful about that. After all, we cannot force 27 pairs of eyes to stop looking at one single individual, no?
When it comes to more serious things, I will never blame the victim (for instance: rape), but both parties should try to respect the concept of decency, it was introduced for a reason. Now, rape can happen in a lot of conditions, be the victim provoking or not and it's really a delicate discussion and there the blame goes to the person who just couldn't control his instinct about mating. But when comes to this kind of stuff, like the nude photos people do have to think about it.
In another discussion, I suggested you read about Rodney Alcala. When saw the documentary about him on Discovery ID, I saw he had a pretty big collection of explicit photos with his victims, as the photo-camera became his "logo". I heard he tried to seduce a lot of teenagers, boys or girls and some of them would just agree to pose for him. Now get to the point of where I'm just trying to say people have to think before creating this materials? And even if they do create accept the consquences. That's all I wanted to say and expect more people to see that pictures than you normally would. While being judged Alcala insisted that everyone in the court to view his work.
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Re: The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
by MessengerOfDreams » September 3rd, 2014, 5:25 am
♥♥♥♥ Christ, man. Just wow
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Re: The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
by ~MP3 Amplifier~ » September 3rd, 2014, 5:42 am
I agree 100% with MoD here.
Also, if you wanna take pictures of yourself naked on your phone in your private photo gallery that nobody else should see without your permission, you have the right to. Just taking a picture once on your phone then deleting it and/or hiding it in the depths of your files is not the same as uploading it to twitter where everyone can see it. The hackers were the ones in the wrong. And okay so celebrities have to take more precautions than the average person because they should be aware that hackers will be targeting them, but at the same time they are just human beings like the rest of us.
Personally I see nothing wrong with being naked, sure I don't support it lol, but once upon a time it was perfectly natural to have body parts. Don't know what happened to that.
Also, if you wanna take pictures of yourself naked on your phone in your private photo gallery that nobody else should see without your permission, you have the right to. Just taking a picture once on your phone then deleting it and/or hiding it in the depths of your files is not the same as uploading it to twitter where everyone can see it. The hackers were the ones in the wrong. And okay so celebrities have to take more precautions than the average person because they should be aware that hackers will be targeting them, but at the same time they are just human beings like the rest of us.
Personally I see nothing wrong with being naked, sure I don't support it lol, but once upon a time it was perfectly natural to have body parts. Don't know what happened to that.
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Re: The iCloud Celebrity Leak of August 31st
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by Raz » September 3rd, 2014, 12:31 pm
I'm not blaming anyone but I don't think anyone, man or woman, should take nudes. Somehow it always ends up going wrong from what I've seen. Just keep it to your mirror, like Doram said.
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