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Re: Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

Postby Harmless » January 8th, 2015, 2:56 pm

Actually, I have seen people take seriousness to people making fun of obama but okay.

Tbh, all I was trying to say is that big and important figures are made fun of all the time, be it in cartoons or whatever. It's even the cartoonist's job to pull a joke or throw satirical humor into the audience. And he was killed for doing his job.
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Re: Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

Postby Asterocrat » January 9th, 2015, 1:06 am

The same people are now holding in hostage a company in the east of Paris as I type this

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Re: Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

Postby -BY » January 9th, 2015, 9:30 am

Apparently they're dead now. Need to admit that I felt shivers when hearing that. It's trully one of the darker things that took place recently.
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Re: Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

Postby Harmless » January 9th, 2015, 3:39 pm

It saddens me more that these attackers are promoting the already huge stereotype against Muslims and terrorism.
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Re: Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

Postby MessengerOfDreams » January 9th, 2015, 3:42 pm

What I hate about this is that people are now saying "yeah I hate that they got shot, but they said awful things in their comedy, and they should stop so this doesn't happen again." One of my favorite foulmouthed comedians expresses my thoughts to that.
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Re: Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

Postby Supershroom » January 10th, 2015, 3:09 am

Harmless wrote:It saddens me more that these attackers are promoting the already huge stereotype against Muslims and terrorism.

Truth be told, that's in the nature of things. This will always be a shame and a stigma for all Muslims as long as it doesn't stop.
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Postby Doram » January 10th, 2015, 5:32 am

Well, the killers are sick in the head, and I think the ultimate distinction that needs to be drawn here is the fact that sick individuals are sick, whether they use religion as their excuse for sick behavior or not. There are plenty of sick people in the world, and they need help, and if we let our desire to stereotype whole groups of people as bad guys get in the way of identifying the very same kind of sick people they have in their communities that we have in ours (there are Christian killers too), we will never have the chance to go out there and actually help them.

I believe that the worst part of this is that it is both a slur on a religion that plenty follow perfectly peacefully, and worse yet, it is a huge distraction from mental illness and social injustice, which are the much bigger problems.
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Re: Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

Postby Supershroom » January 10th, 2015, 12:46 pm

Police wanted to catch the assassins alive, but they deliberately wanted to die as martyrs and kept firing even when lying on the ground.

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Re: Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

Postby Oranjui » January 10th, 2015, 8:36 pm

Going to copypaste a thing here that kind of talks about both sides of it, mostly because I'm too lazy to (and trying not to waste a lot of time to) write my own post:
Gideon Lichfield (qz.com) wrote:The gunmen who killed 12 people in the attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo are now dead after battles with police that claimed yet more innocent victims. The world stands in solidarity with France and its media, and rightly so. Nothing justifies answering the barbs of a cartoonist’s pen with the bullets of a Kalashnikov.

But as the outrage dissolves and the mourning ends, the question will remain: What is the right relationship between free speech and a free society? Freedom of speech is never absolute. There are restrictions for hate speech, libel, state secrets, and so on. A blanket insistence on free speech at all costs is no less dogmatic than a blanket insistence on sharia law. Charlie Hebdo’s brand of satire was arguably racist and deliberately provocative. What we are defending when we defend its journalists is not their right to publish without limits, but their right not to get killed for doing it.

American graphic journalist Joe Sacco addressed this elegantly in a cartoon published on Friday. After affirming—and exercising—his right to vilify Muslims, Jews, black people, and anyone else, he wrote, “But perhaps when we tire of holding up our middle finger we can try to think about why the world is the way it is and what it is about Muslims in this time and place that makes them unable to laugh off a mere image. And if we answer, ‘Because something is deeply wrong with them’—certainly something was deeply wrong with the killers—then let us drive them from their homes and into the sea… for that is going to be far easier than sorting out how we fit in each other’s world.”


So there's that thought. (Reading the links is encouraged too)
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Re: Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

Postby Bogdan » January 11th, 2015, 3:33 am

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Isil.html
One of the attackers, Amedy Coulibaly (the one who took hostages in that jewish grocery), claimed he did nothing, but "defend the Caliphate".

Asked why he attacked Charlie Hebdo and the Jewish supermarket, Coulibaly – now posing with an automatic gun – claims his murderous acts are “entirely justified” and adds: “If you attack the Caliphate and the Islamic State, you will be attacked.”

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