Gunmen attack Satirical French Magazine office

[Doram]

Christians aren't as violent about other people stomping on their religious views? I have 5 words for you:

The Crusades, and The Inquisition.

The thing is, all that is way in the past for them. They were violent @$$holes, and they've gotten over it (for the most part). The only thing Christians want to go to war with these days is birth control, and they're mostly just shouting ♥♥♥♥ and staring meanly, for the most part, and mostly it's aimed at themselves, not anyone else.

Now, Christianity has had time to mellow out about this a bit, but Islam has not, being a younger religion, so it's almost understandable. The worst of all this is that while Judaism has had plenty of time, more than even the Christians, they seem to have missed learning that lesson somehow, and still like to blow up everyone that doesn't like them. Seriously, Israel, all of this, from Palestine to ISIS, is ♥♥♥♥ and you know it. Grow up. lrn2peace Sheesh. But I digress. There are childish ways of responding to things, like someone hit you, so you hit them back, and there are grown up ways, like using your words, listening, and compromise. Clearly lots of people are interested in being childish about everything, so they suicide bomb something, shoot up a magazine office, or carpet bomb Hamas. I really wish people would just grow up. [/harsh]

[MessengerOfDreams]

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[MessengerOfDreams]

I'm with Emelia. The sentence "that was kind of ignorant, Doram" is never one I thought would pass my lips, but to go from "stereotyping the Christian and Muslim faiths as violent is awful" to "the Jews, on the other hand" is not sitting comfy with me. The Palestinian conflict seems like political turmoil by people on the area, not a worldwide Jewish issue

[MessengerOfDreams]

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MessengerOfDreams (January 17th, 2015, 2:36 pm)

[Supershroom]

All X don't necessarily are Y, but all X form a group with the more-or-less common properties of Y. I'm not talking about the individual, I'm talking about the mass, I'm talking about the big picture. And the Islam has a bellicose touch from its origin till today - starting with Mohammed, who was a prophet at first, then a political leader, then a commander and a warrior against the followers of the arabic polytheism who didn't want to accept his prophethood. This militant touch is surely not the cause for the existence of religious terrorism, but it seems to be a cause for the excessive, disproportional extent of terrorism in the name of Islam. Of course Islam doesn't take up the cause of terrorism, but maybe young Muslims can be radicalized more easily because they've grown up with the self-conception of the Islam to be the "only right religion" of some sort and all the phrases of Koran saying "all disbeliefers will go to hell". Most young Muslims learn about good Koran exegesis and not to understand these phrases literally, but a few don't. And even reasonable individuals occasionally are going astray and land in the abysm of extremism.

The conflict between Israelis and Palestinians has far-reaching historic causes, but from the distance it looks like a pointless, ridiculous spiral of violence, bringing no solution but innocent people suffering. It's a problem of both sides as far as I know. However, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[MessengerOfDreams]

This topic is going about as well as imagined

[nin10mode]

In defense of Doram, his observation about Christianity and its closest branches(Catholicism, Protestant, Orthodox) is pretty valid if you take into account, for example, that these were what spread the most. They were the religions of all the expansive, imperial countries. Throw some people far away from home (maybe a different giant landmass) for a few decades or *cough* three centuries, and I think it's pretty likely that beliefs will morph at least a little bit with the evolving, expanding countries. Democracy and Freedom, aka the US, had to have changed the grand scheme of these religions some substantial amount.

Judaism and Islam on the other hand, I can't really speak for, but I can at least suggest that the reason the two religions -- at least in the Middle East -- are so focused on one another is because they haven't really expanded like Christianity. Yes, there are Jewish minorities throughout the western world, but about half of their population are Israelis. Yes, Islam sorta spread into Northern Africa, but the same desert setting and proximity to most of these religions' origin doesn't really allow for much change in my eyes.

So what are they left with? Some neighbors that don't share their ideas, and no place to expand their ideas, lest they want to move into even more arid desert or invade an already-settled area to force ideas. Their focus unfortunately seems to have been on the latter for the past few centuries, hidden to us by all the other happenings in the world.

No, the two entire religions are not at odds with each other. That much is clear in the US alone. My community in particular has several Muslims and Jews. The Middle-eastern region is just unstable, and sometimes a few extremists make their way on a plane and land somewhere radically different, or an idea escapes and lands in the brain of someone that is maybe desperate for an idea to adopt.

Just my 30-minute thoughts being written down. I don't think Doram was trying to label entire groups of people, but language is tricky and he probably just missed an important word or was caught up in the moment.

[Doram]

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[Kimonio]

♥♥♥♥, we blame the religion, but let's look at the idiots. Doram is right. How many people can you name right off your brain who have said to nuke the middle east or send all Muslims to concentration camps?

[Harmless]

Topic changed from Charlie Hebdo to giant discussions about Religions overall and the extremists that kill in his/her religion's name.

All in four pages.



But in all seriousness, has any country even done anything about extremists in general?