runouw.com

We just had this conversation on the IRC and I thought it would be pretty well suited for serious discussion. Talk and stuff:

[18:47:17] <Bryce> We should artificially grow humans for organs and research
[18:47:24] <Bryce> But people would probably say that's unethical
[18:47:27] <Bryce> People are dumb
[18:47:49] <Raz> just make them extremely useless humans
[18:48:05] <Bryce> People would still say that unethical
[18:48:11] <Raz> screw people
[18:48:11] <Bryce> Even if they were more or less brain dead
[18:48:22] <Raz> if we test on monkeys then we can test on people
[18:48:32] <Raz> actually monkeys became endangered and testing was forced to be stopped
[18:48:34] <Raz> over the summer
[18:48:36] <Raz> i dunno
[18:48:47] <Bryce> I'd test on lab grown people
[18:49:10] <Bryce> Better results if we use something on a human
[18:49:23] <Bryce> Since the research is most likely meant to help people
[18:49:33] <Raz> I'm on the side that it's unethical
[18:49:38] <Raz> There's people who sign up for it
[18:49:44] <Raz> so it's fine
[18:50:29] <OJ> Well yeah but they have to die in order for them to be helpful, and their organs have to be intact when they die
[18:51:42] <OJ> And holy ♥♥♥♥ this lab is infuriating why did time have to be the variable
[18:51:43] <Raz> Honestly it'd probably advance science so much
[18:51:55] <OJ> It would, and that's why we should do it
[18:51:57] <Raz> just think about the experiments during the holocaust
[18:52:12] <Bryce> If we lab grew people who are brain dead, so they never actually realized that they're alive, would it even be a moral issue
[18:52:19] <Raz> but I don't care if it happens I'd rather just not be told it happened
[18:52:22] <OJ> I don't think those are the same type of experiments bryce is talking about
[18:52:27] <Bryce> Because they'd pretty much just be sacks of flesh
[18:52:32] <OJ> and yeah that ^
[18:53:35] <Bryce> I should be the leader of our moral system
[18:53:57] <Raz> If we start testing on humans we should stop testing on animals
[18:53:59] <Raz> I'd be okay with that
[18:54:04] <Bryce> No sentimental garbage, just good ol' fashion progress
[18:54:15] <Raz> actually no ♥♥♥♥ it I wouldn't
[18:54:30] <Raz> I'd rather not have testing at all and I'd rather just not think about it/know about it
[18:54:37] <Raz> if it does happen
[18:55:09] <Bryce> If we all knew about it, it probably wouldn't be abnormal after a while
[18:55:25] <OJ> I feel like if we do test on humans, we should probably tell everyone about it, because if organizations/governments hide that sort of stuff from the public, there's going to be some ♥♥♥♥ that goes down
[18:55:35] <OJ> as in
[18:55:44] <OJ> a lot of ♥♥♥♥ that goes down
[18:55:54] <Bryce> And if someone was like "Free the test tube people", we could unplug one and show that they can't actually think and they're really not alive
[18:56:05] <OJ> lul yeah
[18:57:10] <Raz> i feel like people would not be okay with that
[18:57:28] <OJ> ♥♥♥♥
[18:57:37] <Raz> I don't really know my stance on it but I know for sure people would compare it to frankenstein
[18:57:38] <OJ> This should not have negative acceleration
[18:57:39] <Raz> 's monster
[18:59:38] <Bryce> I should paste this conversation into serious discussion
[19:00:03] <Bryce> Yeah, I'm going to do that
[19:00:14] <OJ> Except for my complaints about this lab being a little ♥♥♥♥
[19:00:33] <Bryce> No, I'm keeping that
[19:00:34] <OJ> Omit those please and dank

I agree that after that our bodies should be donated to a noble case, such as organ donation or scientific and medical research. Just a few months ago I've heard about a guy with muscular atrophiation disease that is willing to let a doctor do the first head transplant ever made, in other ways, he is willing to let him cut his head and place it on another body. Here's an article.
I've heard similar procedures were made before, but on animals, such as chimps and also saw a video about soviet scientists removing dog's head from their body and making them survive on bypass. Then reattaching the head and everything's normal. If those were successful, we can open new horizons. At first we feared heart transplants, now there are thousands transplants of this kind and more made, can you imagine getting an entirely new body?

Previously posted a topic about an article I found about synthetising meat. Not only synthetising meat can help solving world hunger and other issues food or animal related, but if we go that far into synthethisic a whole new body? We open entirely new horizons and we will have new targets, such as testing vaccines, medicines and any other methods to prevent and cure a disease on a body similar to humans, but that is not human, so there shouldn't be much discussions about their spirit, free will and so on, but purely show people they are nothing but a dumb body, a living corpse or any kind like that. We can also look forworld for cryogeny and make this thing actually work and bring those people back to life. I think life extension is a dumb idea, sometimes, and some point, death is setting yourself free, but hey maybe 100years from now I'll want to wake up from cryogenic-state, aquire the latest teach and rock games at ultra-realistic-graphics.

That aside, I wouldn't jump into funding and researching that immediatly. There are other problems to be solved first: overpopulation. We outsmarted natural selection, now if we will increase disease-treating and more and more people live, they not only will may make more offsprings, but also take some of the earth's place and demand resources. Finding an inhabitable planet, or looking forward to colonise mars or even the moon if possible can help. I'd really want to see this happen.
Meanwhile we can focus on earth problems. Energy consuption and looking forward to replace traditional fuels with others renewable and less polluting.

We definitely need to do something about overpopulation. Whether it's finding ways to live on the water (or in the air even), or finding ways to live in Space/on other planets, we definitely need more room to place people.