Is It Okay To Compromise Human Rights For Any Greater Good?

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Is It Okay To Compromise Human Rights For Any Greater Good?

Postby goopamario63 » October 3rd, 2015, 6:45 am

I personally don't agree to this viewpoint.

I have began to ponder over this since the time I have begun to follow the news regarding Europe's refugee crisis/migrant crisis. I know that the governments of Europe are trying to prevent overpopulation (it does create a burden on the country's resources, I accept that) by shutting off their borders, but isn't that against human rights? (op cit. Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights- http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a13)

The word 'overpopulation' has led me to think about China and it's one-child policy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy) While it can be argued that the greater good is to control the population to ensure optimum resources for all, isn't that again a violation of human rights? (op cit. Article 16 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights- http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a16) By the way, China's stance on human rights has been debated by many, such as other nations and NGO organizations. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China)

Another argument could be despite China being overpopulated, it ranks 91st in terms of HDI. (High Human Development) (http://hdr.undp.org/en/content/table-1-human-development-index-and-its-components)
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Re: Is It Okay To Compromise Human Rights For Any Greater Go

Postby Harmless » October 3rd, 2015, 8:34 am

I feel like the only reason we're overpopulated is because we have not acquired any new territory in freaking forever. We have yet to establish new living locations in other areas on Earth/Outer Space, be it above/below waters, higher in the sky, etc.
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Re: Is It Okay To Compromise Human Rights For Any Greater Go

Postby -BY » October 3rd, 2015, 8:45 am

Harmless wrote:We have yet to establish new living locations in other areas on Earth/Outer Space, be it above/below waters, higher in the sky, etc.


Well. They do check if Mars is an option, though. I'd personally still think that it'd make more sense to keep controlling birth rates a little. Not in the sense of punishing those with more childs. But people starting to realize that we're about to face a great problem caused by ourselves. However. Watching the situation in germany, where more people die than being born and similar situations in other countries where children start to be seen as bother mostly, I could imagine this all reaching a peak one day. Wether it's happening "natural" over time as it did in other places or forced due to lack of ressources and fights following from that.
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Re: Is It Okay To Compromise Human Rights For Any Greater Go

Postby *Emelia K. Fletcher » October 3rd, 2015, 9:06 am

Harmless wrote:I feel like the only reason we're overpopulated is because we have not acquired any new territory in freaking forever

i'm going to point to the less developed parts of Africa where better healthcare and contraception haven't been introduced and so families must be large
i'm going to point to the less developed parts of Africa frantically and repeatedly


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Re: Is It Okay To Compromise Human Rights For Any Greater Go

Postby 1018peter » October 3rd, 2015, 1:49 pm

The overpopulation of the humankind will slowly stop as we advance in economy and technology. Once all countries hit the state of "Fully-Developed",birth rate will drop globally.

Earth still has plenty of areas left undeveloped. If we turn parts of Africa into huge crop fields,Africa wouldn't be constantly challenged by hunger.
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Re: Is It Okay To Compromise Human Rights For Any Greater Go

Postby Oranjui » October 3rd, 2015, 2:13 pm

1018peter wrote:Earth still has plenty of areas left undeveloped. If we turn parts of Africa into huge crop fields,Africa wouldn't be constantly challenged by hunger.

Land development, whether agricultural, industrial, or urban, isn't necessarily a good thing. They all can have drastic effects on the environment if we aren't careful (yes, giant crop fields across Africa would potentially seriously ♥♥♥♥ up the environment really badly because of irrigation, pollution, habitat destruction, pesticides, fertilizers, etc), and ultimately end up leaving the Earth uninhabitable, forcing us to migrate to another planet. I'd rather have that be a voluntary choice made for the sake of exploration and science, and maybe eventually large-scale colonization instead of due to our society continually polluting and destroying the world to the point where we have no choice but to leave. (i.e. an Interstellar scenario is a bad thing)

Maybe it feels wrong, but I think that focusing on being "ethical" isn't what we need right now. Instead, we need to focus on how we can stop or at least slow down the rate at which we're devastating this planet before it's too late. That may involve more strict population control, it may involve more strict emissions control, it may involve more strict consumption control. Whatever it takes, I'd really like for this planet not to be ruined by our own selfishness, even if it means giving up certain personal liberties for the greater good.

I guess there are probably better ways of going about this than a one-child policy, though.
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Re: Is It Okay To Compromise Human Rights For Any Greater Go

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Postby NanTheDark » October 3rd, 2015, 4:45 pm

To be honest, there are those who would argue that producing offspring might be morally wrong...

The problem is not trying to figure out the solution to environmental problems. If you do a quick Google search on any particular subject you'll probably find lots of research on those subjects, with different scientists or whatever talking about solutions.

The problem is that we need a solution that will be more economical. That will not require people shelling out money for it, or that it will not indirectly cause certain corporations to go to ruin, or whatever.

Over the years I've heard of people in various countries creating stuff like cars that run on environmentally friendly stuff. The only ones that are SOMEWHAT mainstream are electric ones. Most of them don't get support or funding. The car industry and the oil industry are somewhat reluctant to shoot themselves in the foot for the sake of the environment. To be honest though, this is something that is holding us back in many aspects, not just this.

I have faith on the internet though. Ever since its birth, common people everywhere have been able to voice their opinions, talk about what's wrong... and this stuff is read, listened to or watched all over the world. In YouTube you'll find lots of people discussing many things. The ideas spread like wildfire. The Collective Consciousness that already dwarfs and threatens to render television and radio obsolete. Injustices in the world coming to light, we hear more news about catastrophes happening around the world, the internet has the potential to make everyone more aware, and of giving everyone the power to act.

...Kind of wishful thinking anyway. People are too busy fighting over trivial matters and looking at cats.
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