Question about religion
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Re: Question about religion
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by Megar » October 18th, 2015, 1:33 pm
I'm not going out of my way to read some bigass book about things I don't believe in to get a single answer when more experienced people can give me an answer.
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Re: Question about religion
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by Charcoal » October 18th, 2015, 1:37 pm
PurpleYoshi wrote:I wish more people actually read the bible.
Go read the bible, and find out.
Well see, I wouldn't have a problem with that. However, there are people who don't really agree with scripture.
Megar wrote:I'm not going out of my way to read some bigass book about things I don't believe in to get a single answer when more experienced people can give me an answer.
And see that's what I was talking about. Nobody's going to have the same opinions or the same beliefs. Just accept who they are and move on.
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Re: Question about religion
by Kimonio » October 18th, 2015, 4:26 pm
The problem with refusing to do so says more about the person's stubbornness than anything. There are people who still believe we didn't land on the moon, and yet we have ♥♥♥♥ space ships on their way to Mars. These people refuse to acknowledge what's in front of them, because they refuse to look for themselves.
It's like putting a textbook in front of a kid who doesn't want to learn, and teaching him about dogs. He's not going to do jack ♥♥♥♥ unless he wants to.
It's like putting a textbook in front of a kid who doesn't want to learn, and teaching him about dogs. He's not going to do jack ♥♥♥♥ unless he wants to.
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Re: Question about religion
by Oranjui » October 18th, 2015, 4:47 pm
The point of the question was for people to explain their view on the subject, not to be redirected to go and read an entire ~2000 page text that they probably don't have time to read anyway, which I'm not really sure would contain an answer to the question anyway. It's kind of a subjective issue and he was looking more for personal explanations and perspectives than anything, I think. Refusing to answer the question is being just as stubborn as not reading the bible (actually, it's probably a lot more stubborn, because it's quite a bit more reasonable to answer a simple question with maybe a paragraph at most than it is to tell someone to read a giant book for an answer to that same question).
Just going to remind you that the question was "What kind of ♥♥♥♥ god allows diseases like alzheimers and cancer to exist, children to die of cancer before they can even get to high school, people to be crippled their entire life and unable to do simple things like walk and talk?"
Just going to remind you that the question was "What kind of ♥♥♥♥ god allows diseases like alzheimers and cancer to exist, children to die of cancer before they can even get to high school, people to be crippled their entire life and unable to do simple things like walk and talk?"
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Re: Question about religion
by Harmless » October 18th, 2015, 8:52 pm
The Bible's content is not going to help if some of us already believe/have analyzed it and found it not as valid as people say it is.
~ Tesla Bromonovich
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Re: Question about religion
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by Doram » October 18th, 2015, 9:07 pm
The Bible, while an interesting read, is splintered, and often self-contradictory, consisting of stories written over the span of 3000 to 5000 years, the most recent of which being roughly 1500 to 2000 years old. There is a vast difference between the God of the Old Testament, and the God of the New Testament, and worse yet, the good bits in there are generally NOT the ones that people remember, and act on. I have a lot of respect for Jesus. He said a lot of stuff that makes sense, if these writings can be believed, but I agree with the commentary here that the problem with the Christian religions is a matter of their interpretation of what this book contains, and to that, I have exactly three words to explain the phenomenon: the Telephone Game. The fact that it is interpreted at all, has added layer upon layer of misunderstanding to the thing, when a few literal readings would suffice for quite the nice religion. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Seems to me like that doesn't really need any interpretation at all. Just follow the rule, people. Seriously.
There's a joke that I heard once, and I love to tell in these conversations, and it goes like this:
A couple were very religious and faithful, and believed very strongly in God, and were good people. One day, a flood came to their area, and they did not heed the evacuation warnings, and stayed in their house, saying "We are good and faithful people, and God will save us." The waters came, and they were forced up on their roof to avoid drowning. As they clambered up on the roof, one of their neighbors came by, in a small boat that he owned, and said "Hey, come with me, I can take you to the shelter where people who have been caught in the flood are supposed to go." The couple refused, saying "We are good and faithful people, and God will save us." The neighbor shrugged and left for safety, as the couple returned to praying. Then a larger boat, owned by another member of the town came by, and the captain said "We are picking up stragglers who couldn't make it out in time. Come with us to safety." And the couple refused again, saying "We are good and faithful people, and God will save us." The captain shrugged and carried on, saving those that were willing. Then a police boat came by, and an officer on the boat said that they were enforcing an evacuation, and that the waters were expected to rise even more and completely engulf everything, but the couple refused again, saying "We are good and faithful people, and God will save us." The waters were continuing to rise, so the police had no choice but to continue on. The waters rose more and more, until the people were at the very top of their roof, and the couple prayed to God "We are good and faithful people, please save us!" The waters continued to rise, they were swept away, and died by drowning.
They arrived in heaven, and once done with St. Peter, they approached God, and asked him. "We were good and faithful people, and we never stopped believing that you would save us. Why did you not save us?"
God sighed and looked exasperated at them, saying "I sent three boats, didn't I?"
There's a joke that I heard once, and I love to tell in these conversations, and it goes like this:
A couple were very religious and faithful, and believed very strongly in God, and were good people. One day, a flood came to their area, and they did not heed the evacuation warnings, and stayed in their house, saying "We are good and faithful people, and God will save us." The waters came, and they were forced up on their roof to avoid drowning. As they clambered up on the roof, one of their neighbors came by, in a small boat that he owned, and said "Hey, come with me, I can take you to the shelter where people who have been caught in the flood are supposed to go." The couple refused, saying "We are good and faithful people, and God will save us." The neighbor shrugged and left for safety, as the couple returned to praying. Then a larger boat, owned by another member of the town came by, and the captain said "We are picking up stragglers who couldn't make it out in time. Come with us to safety." And the couple refused again, saying "We are good and faithful people, and God will save us." The captain shrugged and carried on, saving those that were willing. Then a police boat came by, and an officer on the boat said that they were enforcing an evacuation, and that the waters were expected to rise even more and completely engulf everything, but the couple refused again, saying "We are good and faithful people, and God will save us." The waters were continuing to rise, so the police had no choice but to continue on. The waters rose more and more, until the people were at the very top of their roof, and the couple prayed to God "We are good and faithful people, please save us!" The waters continued to rise, they were swept away, and died by drowning.
They arrived in heaven, and once done with St. Peter, they approached God, and asked him. "We were good and faithful people, and we never stopped believing that you would save us. Why did you not save us?"
God sighed and looked exasperated at them, saying "I sent three boats, didn't I?"
Martin Luther King Jr. wrote:Man must evolve, for all human conflict, a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation.
The foundation of such a method is love.
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Re: Question about religion
by Kimonio » October 18th, 2015, 10:53 pm
Judges 21:10-24 is one of the many selections of scripture I have found the church to avoid entirely. It's as if they're trying to make the religion as peaceful as possible, while mixing in some fire and brimstone by telling people who sin they go to hell. A very huge contradictory bit of logic.
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Re: Question about religion
by Charcoal » October 19th, 2015, 2:36 am
Okay, I asked one of my friends who is really devoted to her faith about this issue.
I asked:
Here's the response I got from her:
What I got from that is it was NOT God's fault for allowing disease to get to us. It's from Adam and Eve eating that fruit from the tree that we are now vulnerable to disease, sin, and death. Now we just have to pray that God will protect us. Once we get to heaven, we won't have to worry about being sick or dying anymore.
Just do what you think is right, but blaming God really doesn't solve anything worthwhile. Blaming God is like losing a match in Super Smash Bros and than calling your opponent a "spammer" or a "camper": you don't gain anything good out of doing that.
I asked:
What do you make of this: someone on the Internet asked what kind of God would allow innocent people to get sick? I don't think saying that it's a learning experience or it's just a part of life is very convincing especially if the guy is skeptical about God and thinking that God is psychotic for letting people catch disease.
Here's the response I got from her:
Great question! First he is wrong for blaming God...Tell him to read Genesis.....Adam and Eve chose sin (including disease) over God when they ate from the tree of Good and Evil! And cursed the human race with Sin....Which leads to death. God is our only way out from diseases and sin....He sent His own Son to die for everyone so that they can have a second chance away from sin....Disease
What I got from that is it was NOT God's fault for allowing disease to get to us. It's from Adam and Eve eating that fruit from the tree that we are now vulnerable to disease, sin, and death. Now we just have to pray that God will protect us. Once we get to heaven, we won't have to worry about being sick or dying anymore.
Just do what you think is right, but blaming God really doesn't solve anything worthwhile. Blaming God is like losing a match in Super Smash Bros and than calling your opponent a "spammer" or a "camper": you don't gain anything good out of doing that.
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Re: Question about religion
by Goldy301 » October 19th, 2015, 5:02 am
Yes,Vesoralla is totally right. It's all about the apple,that's why we always make mistakes because of the apple. I remember an angel wanted to be smarter or stronger than Jesus that's why he made a snake to tempt Adam and Eve to eat the apple. Angels turned into demons by doing bad stuff.
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Re: Question about religion
by Charcoal » October 19th, 2015, 5:17 am
Goldy301 wrote:I remember an angel wanted to be smarter or stronger than Jesus that's why he made a snake to tempt Adam and Eve to eat the apple.
And if I'm not mistaken, that angel was Satan.
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