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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Harmless » February 3rd, 2016, 1:24 pm

Ah, so it's research based instead of opinion based that you're worried about. There will definitely be at least one person who would vote without doing much research. People just seem to be lazy that way sometimes. But when you have an election that could very well change the entire fate of the nation, that's where I believe people are more inclined to do their research and choose wisely.

I won't deny there are some people who don't really research check. After all, the notions of "Democrat" "Republican" "Liberal" "Socialism" and whatever definitions or ideologies out there have blinded us. "Hey, side with Republicans, because those FILTHY Democrats never tell the truth!" My source is not aimed at what's written on the paper or how many Trump supporters don't have college education - It's aimed at the comments. The people who are so in love with their Republican ideals they shut out any other argument, even if it's logical.

I'd like to believe that the people who don't fact check aren't inclined to because they want to stay true to their Party, and only listen to what their candidates say, and only stick to the general ideals of whatever Party they're aligned with.
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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Yoshi Boo 118 » February 3rd, 2016, 1:53 pm

Arturia wrote:Also redpill me, so people vote in the preliminaries for a certain candidate so he can get X delegates and those delegates choose a superdelegate that will choose the fate in the final round and despite all the votes of the people he can go like "♥♥♥♥ you" and vote for whomever he sympathises with? I mean, I don't know, but at least here it's just go and vote {2 times, "preliminaries" after which only 2 highest scoring candidates remain after and then you choose one of them in round 2} and I say it's pretty straightforward and it is actually the choice of people.


The delegates do not choose superdelegates. The superdelegates are apart from all the caucus and primary involvement, and they can just pick who they want to support . I think each state has a given amount of superdelegates (also called "unpledged" candidates), but they don't have to represent the views of what the people in the state vote for. You can basically consider the superdelegates just delegates but with freedom to choose.

But yes, technically enough superdelegates could swing the vote so, let's say, Hillary wins by just enough enough when Bernie was leading. But AFAIK, that hasn't really been an issue so far- at least in recent U.S. history. Otherwise I'd think I would've heard more uproar about it.

OH BY THE WAY: I just realized only the Democratic party has superdelegates. The Republicans do not. Which I think is strange, but, alright. The superdelegates make up about a sixth of total delegates (about 700 superdelegates out of the ~4,700 delegates possible). So yeah, pretty significant.
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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Raz » February 10th, 2016, 10:05 am

Bernie won my state by 60.15% compared to Hillary's petty 38.16%.
SUCK IT.
I still don't think he'll win South Carolina which is a shame. I have high confidence he will win northern states and Nevada though.
Super Tuesday makes me more confident as Bernie does well in these first few states.
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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Charcoal » February 10th, 2016, 1:43 pm

Raz wrote:Bernie won my state by 60.15% compared to Hillary's petty 38.16%.
SUCK IT.
I still don't think he'll win South Carolina which is a shame. I have high confidence he will win northern states and Nevada though.
Super Tuesday makes me more confident as Bernie does well in these first few states.

Well that's good to hear that Bernie won. I wasn't too keen on Hillary myself. That's also good news to one of my friends in school because he would get excited when he would talk about Bernie.
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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Harmless » February 11th, 2016, 9:53 pm

Hillary's meh, I'm definitely glad Bernie won that one. Also I kinda hope Ted Cruz takes the southern states by storm and prevents Donald Trump from acquiring any more support than he has.
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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Raz » February 12th, 2016, 10:56 am

I would prefer if Donald won the republican side, as a LOT of people would rather vote a democrat than vote for trump, compared to an evangelist and a "family man" like Cruz.
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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Yoshi Boo 118 » February 12th, 2016, 11:16 am

The issue then becomes worrying if Hillary is able to beat Bernie. Polls have shown that Bernie would do a better job against Trump, and I've heard that some Bernie supporters won't switch to Hillary if she wins the primaries. A pretty scary possibility.
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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Harmless » February 13th, 2016, 3:05 pm

Hillary's not as bad as Trump but definitely not good either. :s

There's a lot of things I really don't agree with Hillary on, but that's besides the point.
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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Charcoal » February 13th, 2016, 4:15 pm

If all else fails, and we get something like Trump and Hillary for the election, I'm probably just gonna vote for a third party candidate. I'm not too fond of either candidate.
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Re: 2016 US Primaries

Postby Raz » February 13th, 2016, 4:25 pm

I honestly do not think Hillary is completely terrible. Her and Bernie are so similar in ideals. My only problem in Hillary lies in who she is as a person.
Also that thing she says where she has a lot of experience is frustrating. Bernie has had experience since the 1960s.
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