2016 US Election

[Oranjui]

My speculative analysis of the race at this point: I don't feel like there's much of a chance for bernie to win the nomination. The (pretty delusional) optimists over on his subreddit would argue otherwise, but unless some miraculous turnaround happens, he's not going anywhere, unfortunately for his supporters. On the republican side, kasich is basically dead, and then it'll be trump unless he doesn't break 50% in which case at least from what I've read and what I can speculate cruz will probably win that. So I'm expecting clinton v trump or clinton v cruz. From polls, the former is probably an easy win for hillary, no matter how much you despise her/sympathize with her as a person. The latter is a lot closer of a race because it's establishment candidates on both sides, but from polls and the general sentiment it seems like hillary would win that too. (bernie does way better in any of the general election matchups by the way but i'm disregarding that because his nomination seems pretty dead in the water atm)

If I could vote I'd probably be voting for Jill Stein honestly, even if she doesn't have much of a chance of being president in 2016. I feel like voting is the responsible thing to do, and she'd be the closest to my own mindset--plus she's kinda part of the whole grassroots revolution thing that Sanders started, which I've supported since I first heard about it. Clinton and Trump are equally awful people to me (most of you guys have already pointed out why) and I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for either one of them. I still don't really know enough about Cruz to have much of a qualified opinion on him, but he seems just as bad as Trump, only in different ways. I'd be ok with Clinton winning if she could commit to a consistent policy but I really don't trust her at all and I still would never willingly vote for her.

I've seen a couple articles talking about how this election might lead to the demise of the dominant two party system in the US due to how much internal conflict within the democratic and republican parties there's been. It would be pretty amazing if that could actually happen and I think that might be the only good thing that could come out of this election, because it'll give people an actual voice instead of forcing them to accept the "lesser of two evils" model you guys keep mentioning and to vote for someone that doesn't actually represent their ideals. As much as I circlejerk communism in chat, I'd love for proper representative democracy to be a thing in the US instead of the broken system we have.

[Harmless]

Clinton or Trump getting elected is a death sentence. Period. Even if it's nearly nonexistent, I'm voting for Bernie and will literally be praying that he wins. Yes, I know the U.S. President and the Executive Branch don't have as much respective powers as I'm making it out to be, but foreign policy, diplomacy, and international affairs are at a major risk here. Those are really important, and Clinton and Trump are doomed to fail them.

[Doram]

This post by Doram was thumbed up by:

Oranjui (April 21st, 2016, 3:28 am)

[Kimonio]

Any reasonable American has exactly 3 choices right now.

1. Close their eyes, cross their fingers, and vote for someone. (At least they all have average IQ scores or better. We WON'T get another Dubbya.)
2. Try to run themselves as an actually worthwhile candidate. (Too late + painfully little chance of success)
3. Move to another country. (I hear there's a great guide out there on how to move to Canada...)

1. As bad of an idea this is, it's the only option we have, until someone down the line gets rid of the ♥♥♥♥ bipartisan government.
2. A few days back, there was talk about General Mattis being a third candidate for the GOP, since Republicans are fighting to keep Trump out. Rumor has it he's got quite a few millionaires on his back.
3. To further this, please investigate immigration laws, the country's verdict on immigrants, as well as their procedures and ♥♥♥♥. Also make sure the economy and government is stable enough. Australia has hit the ♥♥♥♥ to the best of my knowledge, and I hear England isn't too far behind.

[Megar]

Thought you lot might be interested to see this. Basically it's Trump on the NC bathroom thing and his views on transgender people in general. Not a long watch, but I think it says something for him.

[npromin1]

We might not have to wait for 4 years. Impeachment is a very likely possibility, especially with Trump or Clinton as president.

[Awesomeguy 99]

We might not have to wait for 4 years. Impeachment is a very likely possibility, especially with Trump or Clinton as president.

True, but we've had a good number of not good presidents that were not impeached before. And the fact that impeachment hasn't been seen in a very long time, we may just have to wait it out.

Also, I don't know if anyone else has said this yet but they probably have, but I think people are just voting for Hillary just so we can have a female president. Then there's the joke votes, which of course people will vote for Trump.
We're basically doomed either way.

[Harmless]

All right, all right. We're all listening to different sources, and there's probably plenty of bias all around. Frankly, this is not even something that I am super engaged in, since, as I've already stated at the beginning of this, the mud slinging, and the viciousness has been out of control, painting every candidate as criminals and reprobates. I've resigned myself to a lesser of two evils election, and I'm timidly siding with the person I believe will destroy my country the least. Ultimately, I'm no more a Hillary supporter than I am a Trump supporter, and Bernie has nice ideas, but he's more than a little bit on the crazy side. I'm not happy with ANY of them, and THAT is the one point that I'm actually interested in submitting to this discussion. I've done some backup research, and confirmed some horrible stuff on all sides, and I'm sick to death of trying to continue the process, because of it's phenomenally broken nature, but I also know that it HAS to be done, else other anarchy and destruction waits in the wings. I can hope that things will be better with that stuff in the future, and I can attempt to spread good, kind, reasonable, responsible things with everything else I do, but in the end, one of these probably horrible people will be made president, and I will just have to hang on for the ride.

Fair enough, there are plenty of media sources that are biased, but remember that people tend to be painted as criminals and reprobates because they do tend to say criminal-like things (the source I cited where Trump threw out protesters into the cold without their coats was, in fact, reported by a LOT of broadcasters and detailed in a lot of sites. I could've given five other potential websites to link you to that all would say the same thing). I prefer listening to the speeches, and taking the most trustworthy information straight from the horse's mouth. And personally a lot of what Bernie has said really makes sense, and I can see his plans working. He does have experience to back it up too.

Frankly, I remember back in 2008 when I thought Mitt Romney's supporting war in Iraq was appalling enough. Oh man, 2016 candidates are a LOT worse. I can legitimately see this as the end of our standing in international affairs should Hillary, Trump, or Cruz get elected.

[Kimonio]

This post by Kimonio was thumbed up by:

Harmless (April 22nd, 2016, 2:02 pm)

[Harmless]

the source I cited where Trump threw out protesters into the cold without their coats was, in fact, reported by a LOT of broadcasters and detailed in a lot of sites.

You think that's bad, the man literally mocked a Sikh and made him out to be the enemy of our nation, because he had a turban on.

I never said that was the worst he's gotten. That's just one instance of how much violence this man has supported.