2016 US Election

[Oranjui]

We're basically doomed either way.

I still don't get why you guys have this mentality. There have been far worse choices and it didn't end the world. There'll probably be a relatively ♥♥♥♥ four years ahead compared to the past eight but you guys are genuinely panicking for no reason. The US government is specifically designed to keep the power of each branch in check. Nobody's going to get to do everything they want as president, so no matter who gets picked, their most radical ideas will most likely not make it through congress. Granted, there's still the issue of foreign relations, but I feel like most other governments can realize that whatever someone like Trump says/does is not exactly representative of the entire country...?

[Megar]

i mean
if he wins
it very much represents the majority of the country

[npromin1]

i mean
if he wins
it very much represents the majority of the country

So basically, the majority of the country wants Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump to win even though they are terrible. What happened to this country?

[Harmless]

We're basically doomed either way.

I still don't get why you guys have this mentality. There have been far worse choices and it didn't end the world. There'll probably be a relatively ♥♥♥♥ four years ahead compared to the past eight but you guys are genuinely panicking for no reason. The US government is specifically designed to keep the power of each branch in check. Nobody's going to get to do everything they want as president, so no matter who gets picked, their most radical ideas will most likely not make it through congress. Granted, there's still the issue of foreign relations, but I feel like most other governments can realize that whatever someone like Trump says/does is not exactly representative of the entire country...?

i mean
if he wins
it very much represents the majority of the country

To add onto this, remember that just because we have checks and balances doesn't mean we have responsible people to make sure these checks and balances happen. Plus Hillary and Trump are both aligned with the wealthy, as their backers evidently show. Guess who run the majority of Congress and the Supreme Court? Wealthy.

[Oranjui]

I'm aware that the system isn't exactly in an optimal and un-blatantly corrupt position right now, but there's still a ton of bias in this thread and none of that justifies the whole It's The End Of Days, Our Once Great Nation Has Fallen fear-mongering attitude that's been pervading the entire past several pages. probably my fault for deciding to partake in political discussions though, heh. anyway let's pretend this didn't happen and carry on

i mean
if he wins
it very much represents the majority of the country

So basically, the majority of the country wants Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump to win even though they are terrible. What happened to this country?

Not exactly. I think Mega was just pointing out that Trump winning would quite literally mean that a majority of the populace voted for him in the general election--that is to say, greater than 50% of the number of voters (which itself isn't necessarily representative of the entire country, because not everyone votes; in the past century, presidential election voter turnout has never been above 65%) picked him out of the available candidates, which as Doram and others have mentioned will likely be a "lesser of two evils" type of decision, not an "I really want this person to be president" type of decision. A good amount of the people who voted for whoever wins will definitely be legitimate supporters, but quite a lot will also be people who only conceded to vote for that person in order to make sure the other contenders don't win.

We might not have to wait for 4 years. Impeachment is a very likely possibility, especially with Trump or Clinton as president.

Also, while it'd be interesting to see impeachment hearings happen in my lifetime and actually go through, I doubt that'll happen to anyone who gets elected. There aren't any real charges that could be pressed on any of them yet (except for maybe Hillary with the email scandal) that are worthy of impeachment (which is limited to only "high crimes and misdemeanors", not just the whims of voters) at least to my knowledge. What might be possible is a recall election, if people get enough signatures, which they may very well do considering the heavy sentiments against both parties right now. It worked in Wisconsin against governor Scott Walker in 2012, but he was re-elected after the recall anyway. Nope, apparently I don't know enough about the US government. Neither the President nor members of Congress can be recalled because it's literally not in the Constitution therefore there's no official federal procedure for it, but state legislators and governors can be recalled since it's up to the states to decide. Only way out for the president is end of term or impeachment or assassination, but let's not go that far.

[Megar]

To add onto this, remember that just because we have checks and balances doesn't mean we have responsible people to make sure these checks and balances happen. Plus Hillary and Trump are both aligned with the wealthy, as their backers evidently show. Guess who run the majority of Congress and the Supreme Court? Wealthy.

I'd like to call you out on this and alert you that compared to most other people in this election Trump isn't aligned with anyone, as he mostly funds everything himself (running a very efficient campaign at that). Trump is nearly as anti-establishment as Bernie, and considering stuff like Colorado and Wyoming giving everything to Cruz without even a word - other than everyone's favourite tweet from the Colorado GOP "We did it. #NeverTrump" - it shows. A recent example of him actually showing this is here where he mentions raising taxes on the wealthy - including himself. Not very detailed, I'll admit, but I'm inclined to believe he's being truthful.

[Kimonio]

I propose we make the first post a masterpost of the events, wins, polls, and ♥♥♥♥.

Also just throwing out that Clinton won New York.

[Harmless]

To add onto this, remember that just because we have checks and balances doesn't mean we have responsible people to make sure these checks and balances happen. Plus Hillary and Trump are both aligned with the wealthy, as their backers evidently show. Guess who run the majority of Congress and the Supreme Court? Wealthy.

I'd like to call you out on this and alert you that compared to most other people in this election Trump isn't aligned with anyone, as he mostly funds everything himself (running a very efficient campaign at that). Trump is nearly as anti-establishment as Bernie, and considering stuff like Colorado and Wyoming giving everything to Cruz without even a word - other than everyone's favourite tweet from the Colorado GOP "We did it. #NeverTrump" - it shows. A recent example of him actually showing this is here where he mentions raising taxes on the wealthy - including himself. Not very detailed, I'll admit, but I'm inclined to believe he's being truthful.

The only reason I don't 100% buy it is because the problem is the rich avoiding most of the taxes, if not paying only a small portion of the taxes compared to the middle/lower classes. What we should do is instead of raising taxes on the wealthy is actually enforcing taxes on the wealthy and taking extra measures to make sure they pay their taxes 100%.

But that being said, I can see Trump not being quite as aligned to the wealthy as I thought previously. Thanks for the article.

[1018peter]

Really late news, but:

Ted Cruz and John Kasich dropped out of the race.

[npromin1]

And Hillary is about 200 delegates away from winning.

CLINTON V. TRUMP CONFIRMED