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Mother issues here

Postby Charcoal » February 29th, 2016, 3:47 am

More and more, it seems I connect more to Naruto's personality. Other than the fact he is shy in some ways as I found out from reading about The Last: Naruto the Movie, I see that he tries hard to help people, and is angry with people with misguided personalities.

Now about the misguided people:
It's just...like...why? Why are there people like that existing in this world? I don't like it...especially if I had to have a parent with that sort of mentality.
I want to help them to be better, but they won't do it; and it makes me angry.

...Which brings me over to my mother. My father told me all the hell she put up with. So I tried to hear her side of things. Well, she refused to tell me for whatever reason.
I will show you some of the text messages that were exchanged.

So I asked what her side of the story was, and she told me:
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First of all WHAT?! Who the ♥♥♥♥ risks or allows people to be upset? No good comes out of that. None whatsoever.
Also, over-sharing? Who says it's over-sharing? There's no law that executes you or something for expressing your emotions. And you never told me these things at least one time. SO it's definitely not over-sharing.

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How's is it not appropriate? It's a conversation between my mother and I? Also, I'm 18 now. What's there that's inappropriate for me now besides buying alcohol?
Oh and I said my thing some of the risking upsetting part.

Well, I was being consumed with revenge here because I was kinda angry at her. I vented here some:
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Oh here's the gooood part:
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Misunderstanding what exactly? What do YOU think is hurting me, mother? HUH? You tell me. You obviously know how I feel right? Yeah?
NO! What makes you think I'm misunderstanding? I know my feelings. You don't. You're not in my shoes. Don't say that crap.

And then:
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I assume that's a typo. Maybe she said hold on to my thoughts? If so, why? Hold on to those feelings does what kind of good now? Huh?

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Uh...too late there. You've already dragged me in the middle of this with your ♥♥♥♥ emotional abuse you caused me. And no I won't drop it. I'm 18 now. It's time I said my say without you blowing me off like before. You don't want to hear my dad's side of things? Well, that proves how ignorant you are.

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Yeah, we were talking about that. I did say I was going to far and was expressing my thoughts. Quit trying to turn away this conversation and take it literally out of context like that. If you're not dwelling on it, then why are you unwilling to hear my dad's story and risking me to be upset? Uh, yeah.
Again with the misunderstanding bullcrap? God dang it.
Whoa whoa whoa. I'm jumbling up details here? Oh, so you're going to try and accuse me even more that I'm wrong and your right? How am I mixing facts up? This is what I experienced. You have no proof that I mixed it up. This is what I saw through my eyes. Not yours.
Misdirection huh? I have something to say about that:
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There, and also her being sexually abused by someone which I didn't mention because I didn't want her to go 200% ape ♥♥♥♥.

Final words in the conversation:
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Just...why? Why are there people like this in this world? Why did I have to grow up with a mother like this? I thought she was good. Now I'm wrong. Why God? Why? That one time my other forgave brought so much joy to me I couldn't even begin to tell you how happy I was. Why couldn't I have a mother that was as nice and much like my silly father and not abusive? I would've loved that. I want her love, but she kept pushing me away.

Why is there so much hate and sin in this world? :(
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Re: Mother issues here

Postby NanTheDark » February 29th, 2016, 6:07 am

Your mom is just trying to protect you. I think you should respect her not telling you. Often times, people have things they'd rather not talk about.

Also I hope you're not hurting yourself anymore.
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Re: Mother issues here

Postby Charcoal » February 29th, 2016, 7:19 am

NanTheDark wrote:Also I hope you're not hurting yourself anymore.

I'm not self-harming. I need to realize hurting myself isn't who I am as a person.

NanTheDark wrote:Your mom is just trying to protect you. I think you should respect her not telling you. Often times, people have things they'd rather not talk about.

Hmm...if so...I don't know who trust. The protection still doesn't really seem to compensate what she has done to me and my father. Maybe I'm not forgiving in that way either, and I'm just as bad.
...I don't know. :(
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Re: Mother issues here

Postby NanTheDark » February 29th, 2016, 9:25 am

What has she done?

...No need to say it if you don't want to, of course.
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Re: Mother issues here

Postby Charcoal » February 29th, 2016, 10:56 am

NanTheDark wrote:What has she done?

...No need to say it if you don't want to, of course.

I don't feel like typing it all out again, but I'm sure I nailed just about everything she's done in some of the texts.
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Re: Mother issues here

Postby NanTheDark » February 29th, 2016, 11:38 am

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Postby Harmless » February 29th, 2016, 1:01 pm

One of two things:

- She's not talking/giving you key details because she is guilty and is afraid you won't forgive her back.
- She's not talking/giving you key details because she is afraid you will stab yourself and actually kill yourself for it.

Unless if she is just straight up mean and abusive (which from what you've described, it sounds like you two got along at some point in your life, so I don't think that's the case).
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Re: Mother issues here

Postby Charcoal » February 29th, 2016, 2:59 pm

I am seeing these replies, and it's either she was abusive like I keep harking about or she was oddly protecting me. Was I too vague?

Well, I know my best friend said he thought she was yelling at me for no reason.

I'm also going to talk about this with a Christian friend of mine at my school tomorrow and hopefully get some better understanding.

EDIT: Also, what kind of "protective" mother allows a kid to be upset for what sort of good purpose? Aren't they supposed to protect them from being upset. What kind of "protective" mother says you're wrong about your feelings or are unwilling to share their opinion? Their opinion matters to me too so I can form my own opinion about things. They wouldn't say I'm misguided or am jumbling up a bunch of facts.

I'm not jumbling facts. How are they facts? It's my viewpoint. My opinion. IT'S MY OPINION THAT I AM EXPRESSING, NOT A ♥♥♥♥ FACT!
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Postby Doram » March 3rd, 2016, 7:11 am

Okokokok. Sorry, was busy with a thousand other things, and hadn't dropped in here in a while, but this is definitely worth attention.

First off, part of the issue here is that most people do not understand unconditional love. There are several categories of relationships that REQUIRE unconditional love to not be ♥♥♥♥ up, the most important of which are intimate/marriage relationships, and parent/child relationships. The short version is this: Unconditional love is unconditional - without conditions - without limits - without requirements - without end. When you put a condition on it, you start holding back. the condition is not met somehow, and the other person doesn't get something they NEED, and that's when the PROBLEMS start. In the case of intimate relationships, they need a connection to their partner, and support from their partner. That's what being partners means. In the case of parent/child relationships, they need nurturing, teaching, and reassurance, and that technically goes both ways. Every parent is unsure of themselves, mostly because we all live in a broken world that does not teach self-confidence, but I will stop there or I will get lost in a "Society is broken" rant, and those take hours.

NOW, your parents most likely came to their breaking point (literally) when they broke up, because there was some condition that was put on it, that condition was not met, and one or both of them started holding back. Whether they understand that as the cause or not, at least one of them was not getting what they needed (impossible to tell who or what from the given conversation). Most of the time, even if you do not understand what is going on, there is one aspect of the relationship where this is IMPOSSIBLE to ignore, and that is your ability to connect with your partner in the most intimate and complete way = sex. The sex gets bad or infrequent due to underlying issues with the relationship, and the most blind or ignorant person can TELL. Also, one of the most horrifying ways in which our society is broken is when it tells us this: Sex is everywhere, and clearly massively important. BUT, you are NOT allowed to talk about sex. *facepalms* Your mother does not want to talk about it with you, because it is "inappropriate" to talk to a/your child about sex. Period. Exclamation point. Whether that is part or all of it is immaterial, because she is hitting that wall, and bouncing off of it. You are an adult, and should be able to understand it at this point, but most parents mistake that taboo as being universal and permanent, and will beat themselves bloody by bouncing themselves off that wall. "But, but, but, I CAN'T!" Yes, you can. Everything will be fine, I promise.

NOW, you, on your part, are doing something right by insisting on figuring this out, because it WILL hang over your relationship with her for the rest of your life until it IS figured out, BUT, you have already made a small mistake in the process by putting a condition on it. "If those emotions bring the worst out of you, then please don't share it. I don't want to see." Right now, the problem that you want to see solved is precisely that: This brings out the worst in her, and, now you've said that you don't want to see the very thing you want her to talk to you about. In her mind, she will remember that sentence, and think to herself, "He has now CONFIRMED that I will hurt him by showing him the truth." This is a barrier to you figuring this all out, and you need to remind her of it, and take it back. The truth is the truth, and you WILL NOT figure this all out without looking at the naked, ugly, painful truth, and being completely honest with each other about it, so you can both DEAL with it. Remind her that you are a full grown adult (and all of the legal "restrictions" are now technically gone), and somewhere in the process of looking for a partner for yourself in this life, and as your primary example of how to do that (as every parent is), you need to understand what your parent's relationship was like, and what went wrong, and how to deal with it, if you are to have your best chance of figuring it out in your own life (appeal to the teacher aspect of the parent/child relationship). Tell her that it WILL hurt you to hear some of these things (honest response), but it hurts MORE to see her in pain, and not understand what you can do to help, if anything (also true, but, more importantly, needs to be connected to the first point). Sometimes just listening helps, and if nothing else, you can do that for her. This is the point in a child's life where they are no longer children, and their relationship MUST change with their parents, to be more like an agreement between equals, otherwise both child AND parent are stunted in their growth, and believe me, growth never stops, not until the very moment that you die.



So, important points to remember.

Your mother will love you always and forever, and no matter what pain she is going through, that will never change. That is the unconditional love of a parent, and once that love is started, it DOES NOT ever stop. The parent might find themselves crippled enough that they can't find a way to SHOW it, but it's there. The same goes for you. They are your parents, and you love them, and no matter how scared, or hurt, or frustrated, or angry you get. That love will always be sitting deep inside you, waiting for a chance to show itself, and they will ALWAYS be your parents, no matter how old any of you get.

Dealing with problems requires truth. Complete, unrestrained, absolute, truth. Honesty and thoroughness are KEY to figuring this out. BOTH of you must agree to this. Do not be afraid of any part of it, and no part of it will remain to haunt you. Fear is an infection, and like an infection, it only gets worse if you ignore it. That haunting sickness comes purely from fear, and fear is meaningless in the face of love. Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, it does not boast, it is not arrogant. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. THAT is what you both need right now. She needs to look at her problems honestly, and decide how to deal with them, and you need to not have them sitting there between you, obscuring her ability to be your parent, and your ability to be her child.



EDIT: Rereading the original conversation, I realized that I missed some detail at the very end, and I want to address it.

Mistakes were made. Mistakes are still being made. Moreover, we do stupid things for love, including making mistakes worse. Your mother is not a bad person for making the choices that she made. She may have done mean and stupid things, but that does not mean that she wanted to hurt people, she was just lashing out when not knowing WHAT to do, when she was in pain herself. All this lovely broken world encourages us to not think about our actions and rush into things, and that pretty universally causes us to mess things up worse. Take your time, encourage her to do the same - feel, think, THEN act.
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Re: Mother issues here

Postby Charcoal » March 3rd, 2016, 11:50 am

Doram wrote:"If those emotions bring the worst out of you, then please don't share it. I don't want to see." Right now, the problem that you want to see solved is precisely that: This brings out the worst in her, and, now you've said that you don't want to see the very thing you want her to talk to you about. In her mind, she will remember that sentence, and think to herself, "He has now CONFIRMED that I will hurt him by showing him the truth."


That makes sense. I also didn't know that what I said there would have that meaning (which might be an Asperger's thing because that might be a social cue I totally missed). I didn't want her to blow up in anger in the conversation. I didn't want to deal with her wrath again. That was one reason why I said that. I guess the words she would have said may not have hurt me was what I was thinking, but her reaction would have.
I don't know

I wanted to watch the Pokemon TV shows and Spongebob at her place, but she didn't let me do it. She hardly ever let me play the Wii. She never let me express my depression thoughts and whatnot. If those are conditions that you spoke of then that unconditional love is broken, and that would show why I left her house.
I still don't understand: if she unconditionally loved me, she wouldn't have deceitfully sold my first copy of Smash 4 when she said she'd give it back if I behaved. Not to mention that first copy of Smash 4 was my entire 17th birthday. She also wouldn't have denied me wanting to drop AP Government for an easier Government class so I could still have a really good GPA for scholarships. She wouldn't have slapped the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of me for hurting myself (which her hurting me made me hurting myself much worse). She wouldn't have just taken Cross Country away at that moment in time IF she unconditionally loved me. A person wouldn't punch someone who stabbed themselves in the chest or something.

I understand what you are saying...maybe I don't. I may to reread it to get it all.
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