Good/vs/Bad

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Good/vs/Bad

Postby nin10mode » November 22nd, 2010, 5:37 pm

Maybe we can try a few more times to get portal dwellers (lulz) on the right track to levelmaking. I'm looking for users good at the following:
  • Item placement
  • lag control
  • creativity
*Don't ask permission to edit, just edit and a few people will review.
Each section of the level below should be presented in an optimistic manner. Most people will hate the level if it says things like "Only n00bs do this, so don't do it!" I'd also like for a new tileset to be used in each section so the players don't get bored. (Castle, Snow, or Grass preferably.) The first sign of each section is a sign to introduce yourself and the topic you're going to talk about.

If a mod permits it, I'd like for myself to be able to delete and resubmit this level each time its taken off the top 10 list, or each time it's forgotten about.
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Remember that its called "Good VS Bad"! Include bad examples in sections. (But don't make it too drastic, like 0.1 FPS lag, or 9999 coins in one space.)

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Re: Good/vs/Bad

Postby Kimonio » November 22nd, 2010, 5:45 pm

I love you now.











.................in a non-hug/hump/kiss kind of way. D:
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Re: Good/vs/Bad

Postby Panik! » November 22nd, 2010, 5:45 pm

I'll do it. I think I'm pretty good in all of those categories :3
Here's an example of my work.

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Re: Good/vs/Bad

Postby nin10mode » November 22nd, 2010, 5:49 pm

*Don't ask permission to edit, just edit and a few people will review.

Looks good though. :O
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Re: Good/vs/Bad

Postby Panik! » November 22nd, 2010, 5:54 pm

Oops(I'm not good at common sense and/or following directions) lol
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Re: Good/vs/Bad

Postby Panik! » November 28th, 2010, 9:08 am

My section on basic item placement and settings.
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