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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby Raz » September 15th, 2014, 10:43 am

MICrophone wrote:
Raz wrote:EDIT: That was ♥♥♥♥ harsh. I've never been this disturbed in a series, ever.

Haven't watched Game of Thrones I see.

No, I haven't. But I know for sure it hit a little too close to home to not make me disturbed.
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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby MICrophone » September 15th, 2014, 7:22 pm

Blablob wrote:…the part that always gets me about this episode is when
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Walt snatches Holly and drives off with Skyler running after them.
I've seen this episode multiple times, but something about that scene always makes me cringe. They pulled it off so well, too...It's probably my favorite scene in the whole series.

I just want to relive watching this show for the first time. Is that too much to ask?

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That was a horrifying conclusion to the scene, but it didn't get me quite as much in comparison to other scenes. As far as moment of sheer Walt depravity goes, "I watched Jane die" was the highlight of this episode for me. Though Skylar's reaction to Holly's kidnapping was haunting. Kudos to Anna Gunn. I like the knife scene especially because of its staging…like I was genuinely concerned that either one of the actors could've easily been hurt or killed there. It was one of the most realistic and harrowing scenes of that nature I have ever seen.

I usually don't get that feeling. I almost always enjoy rewatches just as much. Especially since the characters transform so much over the course of this show, it would be a lot of fun I think to go back and watch it again from a more informed perspective. But, there are other shows for me to get to, so I doubt I'll be rewatching this anytime soon.

I still have to watch the last two episodes though. Was hoping to get to them tonight but today was absolutely crazy and I need to make up for the sleep I didn't get enough of last night, so I'll save them for tomorrow.
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MICrophone wrote:Haven't watched Game of Thrones I see.

No, I haven't. But I know for sure it hit a little too close to home to not make me disturbed.

Not sure if you're talking about GoT or BB with the last sentence. No doubt BB is very disturbing, with too many instances to count (box cutter remains the most horrifying visually to me, and any number of Jesse's depressive bouts hit me pretty hard), and certainly it's a more realistic setting than GoT. But yes, GoT will be, very, very disturbing on many levels should you ever choose to watch it.
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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby Blablob » September 16th, 2014, 6:55 am

MICrophone wrote:
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That was a horrifying conclusion to the scene, but it didn't get me quite as much in comparison to other scenes. As far as moment of sheer Walt depravity goes, "I watched Jane die" was the highlight of this episode for me. Though Skylar's reaction to Holly's kidnapping was haunting. Kudos to Anna Gunn. I like the knife scene especially because of its staging…like I was genuinely concerned that either one of the actors could've easily been hurt or killed there. It was one of the most realistic and harrowing scenes of that nature I have ever seen.


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Well, after having watched the episode a few times now, I have to say that Holly's kidnapping is still very uncomfortable to watch. The reason that other moments lose their impact value is because I already know about them beforehand. There is no denying the brilliance of every moment in this episode, but someone could have spoiled the entirety of Breaking Bad for me, and the Holly scene would have still made me cringe because of Skyler's reaction. That's what makes it so horrifying and incredible to me. It's a lot like at the end of "Crawl Space," in my opinion.

I will say that the first time I watched this episode, "I Watched Jane Die" definitely made my jaw drop. Vince Gilligan himself has said that it's probably the most evil thing Walt has ever done, and I find that hard to disagree with. Murdering Mike is a close second, of course.


MICrophone wrote:I usually don't get that feeling. I almost always enjoy rewatches just as much. Especially since the characters transform so much over the course of this show, it would be a lot of fun I think to go back and watch it again from a more informed perspective. But, there are other shows for me to get to, so I doubt I'll be rewatching this anytime soon.


Rewatching this show is very entertaining, especially since you start to notice subtle things that weren't immediately obvious before. One of my favorites is how Walt's chemistry speech in the pilot episode pretty much foreshadows the entire series.

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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby MICrophone » September 16th, 2014, 8:08 pm

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It's a lot like at the end of "Crawl Space," in my opinion.

I don't know that any scene in this show gave me chills quite like that one. That is probably still my single favorite scene from the show, though Ozymandias is certainly the best episode.

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Murdering Mike is a close second, of course.

That comes first. By like, a factor of a gazillion.

(…I miiight have been a little overly attached to that character…Madrigal is one of my all-time favorite episodes for that reason)

I picked up on a lot of the foreshadowing you mentioned. Did not catch that jaw dropping last one you posted though. Wow. Changes my whole outlook on the series.

Anyway, I watched Granite State, then went to start Felina only to find that two other family members were watching something elsewhere and Netflix wouldn't let me watch the finale cause we had too many screens going. So alas, I must wait longer for the finale. Maybe on Thursday.
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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby Raz » September 17th, 2014, 10:46 am

Am I missing something or is it a "walter jr is only in cereal scenes" joke
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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby MICrophone » September 18th, 2014, 6:09 pm

I think the joke is that a specific cereal mentioned in a season 2 episode happened to appear in season 5, and that is, I suppose, foreshadowing, though of so little consequence as to be absurd.

P.S. sorry for the spoilers guys :P

P.P.S. watched the finale earlier this evening 10/10 would recommend
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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby Blablob » September 19th, 2014, 5:27 am

The cereal symbolizes the tasteless nature of Walt's actions.

Specifically, the raisins foreshadow Walt's descent into evil. As we know, water symbolizes the concept of life. Raisins are devoid of any water, similar to how Walt is devoid of his humanity. Walt is less so a human than a monster, and we see this resurface when
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Jesse mentions to Hank and Gomez that "Mr. White is the devil" in season 5.
Walt, in many ways, is a raisin.

Additionally, the "crunch" represents Walt Jr.'s maturity and growth into Flynnhood. His obsession with cereal captures his innocence, but this particular cereal demonstrates his transition to a young adult.

Cereal in general can also be considered incomplete without milk, similar to how Hitler and his mustache were inseparable. This foreshadows
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in season 5.

I hope this helps, Raz.
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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby Raz » September 19th, 2014, 10:39 am

jesus christ how did I go that long into the post believing everything you were saying
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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby Yoshi Boo 118 » September 19th, 2014, 12:20 pm

Blablob wrote:The cereal symbolizes the tasteless nature of Walt's actions.

Specifically, the raisins foreshadow Walt's descent into evil. As we know, water symbolizes the concept of life. Raisins are devoid of any water, similar to how Walt is devoid of his humanity. Walt is less so a human than a monster, and we see this resurface when
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Jesse mentions to Hank and Gomez that "Mr. White is the devil" in season 5.
Walt, in many ways, is a raisin.

Additionally, the "crunch" represents Walt Jr.'s maturity and growth into Flynnhood. His obsession with cereal captures his innocence, but this particular cereal demonstrates his transition to a young adult.

Cereal in general can also be considered incomplete without milk, similar to how Hitler and his mustache were inseparable. This foreshadows
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the Nazis

in season 5.

I hope this helps, Raz.


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Re: Breaking Bad

Postby MICrophone » September 20th, 2014, 9:51 am

Blab you really have opened my eyes to levels of symbolism I had not previously even considered. Seriously, your observations are inspired and you are a genius. My question to you is:

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In Fly, when Walt and Jesse think they've killed the fly only for Walt to discover and note dejectedly, "This is a raisin," how does that tie into the raisin's symbolic arc throughout the show?
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