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Book Recommendation Thread

Postby Venexis » September 28th, 2014, 1:50 pm

Can't believe something like this doesn't already exist.

Read a good book? Share it here. Feel free to leave comments, suggestions and reviews but try to keep spoilers to a minimum- other people may want to check it out for themselves.

Also, log of the old Bookclub Discord Channel is here.
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Re: Book Recommendation Thread

Postby Venexis » December 14th, 2014, 11:02 pm

Damn guys, 56 views and not a single response? Your reading game is weak.

Anyway, I've recently picked up Maze Runner at my brother's recommendation. Kinda ruined the plot of the first book for myself by seeing the movie, but if anything it just make reading it more tense. Just finished the second (Scorch Trials) and am now starting on the third (Death Cure). Not really my usual reading but it's pretty hardcore, does a great job of making you wait (sometimes an obscenely long time) to figure out the significance of things- not that it's a bad thing, just makes you wanna read more. Went in expecting a rather lackluster series, was pleasantly surprised when it far exceeded my expectations. Would recommend.

Now for real get posting things, it's lonely in here. :(
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Re: Book Recommendation Thread

Postby Supershroom » December 15th, 2014, 12:10 am

I read books but they're all German and I don't know which ones have been translated and are well-known and which ones aren't. Except from probably...

The letter for the king by Dutch authoress Tonke Draght

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Re: Book Recommendation Thread

Postby Oranjui » December 24th, 2014, 9:51 am

Uh well if you're gonna hang around the internet much longer, you should check out the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy 'trilogy' at some point, if you haven't already.

Otherwise I recommend the His Dark Materials actual trilogy (which I read like 8 years ago so I don't remember it much, but MK also said it was good), also maybe like 1984, and oh Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman! was good, some other stuff
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Re: Book Recommendation Thread

Postby Oranjui » May 21st, 2016, 8:14 pm

I recently read a bunch of books that weren't required reading for school for once (the year is basically over now because APs are done so I'm not flooded with schoolwork constantly anymore, also because of this) so here's some reviews. Also I'll probably add the ones I had to read for school too, just because why not.

For school in the past nine or so months:
  • How To Read Literature Like A Professor - Thomas C Foster. I think I mentioned this at the start of the thread or something? Seems like this is a pretty standard book to read for English classes or something now. I didn't expect to like it as much as I did, even if it wasn't a super enthralling read. There was definitely some humour and playfulness in the book. I think reading it definitely helped me see stuff in a different light, so if you're into classic literature, this might be helpful to read.
  • Othello - William Shakespeare. Probably not my favourite Shakespeare, but Iago is a 10/10 character. Pretty good, would recommend if you're into Shakespeare and haven't read this yet.
  • Brave New World - Aldous Huxley. Aaaaaaaaaaaa this was so good. The ending was a little weird, but overall I loved the style, the themes, the plot, the characters, everything. Probably one of my all-time favourite books now.
  • Heart of Darkness - Joseph Conrad. It was interesting enough to keep me going, but something it felt a bit bland and difficult to slog through just because it was so slow-paced, and sometimes a little bit confusing. But it's not a bad book, either.
  • Oedipus Rex - Sophocles. Kind of a short play but it was pretty not bad. I dunno what to say about it other than that I liked it.
  • Hamlet - William Shakespeare. Obviously a classic. If you haven't read it for school already, you probably either will sooner or later, or you need to read it on your own time. There are so many references to it in modern culture that I'm kind of surprised I got along without having read it for so long. But anyway, I enjoyed it. Even though I've enjoyed pretty much every Shakespeare play I've read so far, which probably says something about my personal biases. :p
  • The Awakening - Kate Chopin. The original feminist novel???? I dunno. The plot was a little awkward at time, but the character development was phenomenal and the themes were interesting too. Honestly it even seemed a little trippy in some parts somehow. Anyway, I liked it, but not exactly a must-read unless you're really into the history of the women's rights movement or something.
  • The Old Man and the Sea - Ernest Hemingway. Really short, but classic Hemingway style. Like three-quarters of the class complained about it being really boring and dull, but there were some of us who thought it was more interesting than just the surface reading (holy ♥♥♥♥ that sounded really pretentious didn't it). I wouldn't really recommend it unless you already know that you like Hemingway (For Whom The Bell Tolls was the first book I read by him and it was pretty good I thought, but it's definitely not the most famous), because otherwise you probably are not going to enjoy the experience.
  • A Tale of Two Cities - Charles Dickens. Probably one of my favourite books we read for class this year. The diction and syntax is kind of difficult/high-level (because that's just kind of Dickensian style), but the plot was cool and the characters were neat. I'd recommend it if you're not afraid of something more on the challenging end in terms of literally reading it and understanding wtf Dickens is trying to get across (I spent so much time reading it ugh), and are okay with something heavily revolving around history (the French Revolution in particular).
  • Their Eyes Were Watching God - Zora Neale Hurston. Whoa that dialect transliteration was a little bit of an obstacle at first, but overall it was a decent read. It almost seemed more like a three-act play written in prose than a novel, which was interesting. Some aspects of the plot seemed kind of weird but the themes were neato. From reviews and Sparknotes (shut up) it seems like it's often interpreted as a book about racial relations because of its surface value, but the underlying motivation seems like it's more about gender roles and empowering women or something. Iunno. I thought it was good.
  • Death of a Salesman - Arthur Miller. The style of this book was really cool to me, and the concepts in general were really interesting. This is probably tied with TOTC for my favourite thing we read this year. Also, maybe I'm uncultured or something but I think this is one of the two total modern plays I've read in my life (the other being A Raisin in the Sun I think? we read it last year for school). It was really good and I'd definitely recommend reading it if you haven't read it.
  • Frankenstein - Mary Shelley. Some cool early scifi/Romantic-era/Gothic stuff going on. The style was pretty cool, and character development was done pretty well for the most part, although Victor still pisses me off because he was literally the most static character created in any media ever. Anyway, this is probably my third favourite of the stuff we've read this year, behind TOTC/DOAS as second best and Brave New World as the best.

On my own time (more to come in the near future probably):
  • Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut. 16/10, hell the ♥♥♥♥ yeah this is probably my new favourite book, thanks to Bryce for the recommendation. I love the humour, the scatterbrained style, the character development, the plot, the culture/worldbuilding, the philosophy, the everything. I can't say the climax was really very unexpected, but it was written in a way that kept me super enthralled. I don't know what more to say other than man, this was a really great book, and I'd totally recommend it to anyone. It's 100% worth it and I think anybody can probably take something useful/interesting away from it.
  • Slaughterhouse-Five - Kurt Vonnegut. Still on the Vonnegut train, I decided to read this. The atmosphere was a little different from Cat's Cradle, but the dark humour was still up to par, and the same style seemed to be there throughout, though it was presented slightly differently (more literally, maybe?). This book also felt significantly more real and tragic than Cat's Cradle, but I wouldn't necessarily say one is better than the other. I loved them both to death and read them pretty voraciously. It deals a lot with World War 2, so if you're not into history/war much, then maybe this isn't for you, but it's balanced really well with elements of both ordinary human experience as well as a bit of fantasy thrown into the mix. It's described as an antiwar book by a lot of sources. Which it is, because it gets explicitly stated at one point. But that's probably not the first descriptor that comes to mind when I think of the book. Then again I don't really know what would be the first descriptor. Anyway, I'd recommend this if you're into something semi-historical, but still entertaining/unconventional and not obnoxiously informational. Thanks Vonnegut, you da man.
  • A Clockwork Orange - Anthony Burgess. God damn that was ♥♥♥♥ up in parts but this was a really, really interesting read. The unique style was part of what made it so good. None of the reviews I read seemed to mention the specific quirk about it, so I went into reading it completely unsuspecting. It was a bit of a barrier to reading at first, but the more I read, the less weird it and the more insanely immersive it became. I guess you can describe the book overall as a philosophical dystopian crime drama? I don't really know. It was a great read though and I'd recommend it if you're looking for something that plays a lot with language, is semi-philosophical, is heavily emotional, is somewhat unconventionally dystopian, and if you're capable of handling some pretty intense/uncomfortable physical descriptions in certain scenes (i.e. potential trigger warning, or something). Anyway, I liked it a lot, despite feeling a physical urge to just stop reading and scream because of how emotional some parts were. As Roald Dahl apparently said, it's a pretty terrifying and marvelous book. So go read it.
  • The Maze Runner - James Dashner. Up next?

I have a Goodreads account now too if you care at all.



Also, just for future reference, you guys who speak non-english languages should still recommend good books you've read in those languages even though this is mostly an english-speaking community. Partly because there are probably plenty of other native speakers, as well as learners who might be interested. No real reason not to.



Also2 minor news announcement, there's now a #bookclub channel on the Runouw Discord server for us to chat about book recommendations and discuss things we've read. I'm not sure if we're actually going to set up a reading schedule or anything, but it's a possibility. There was some talk about making a Google Doc for it. Just go there and read the chat if you want more juicy details I guess.
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Re: Book Recommendation Thread

Postby Doram » June 4th, 2017, 7:05 pm

Here's the log of the Bookclub Discord Channel, which was shut down due to inactivity, log courtesy of Ven:
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[9:06 PM] Oranjui: sup nerds
[9:06 PM] Raz: there's literally gonna be like two messages here
[9:06 PM] Raz: why
[9:06 PM] Revolver Sethster: books suck video games rule
[9:06 PM] Oranjui: banned
[9:07 PM] Oranjui: Because why not
[9:09 PM] Doram: Should we have, like, a Google Docs thing associated with this, where we can leave book/series suggestions?
[9:10 PM] Shad: I've got some to dump if you want
[9:10 PM] Ven: do it
[9:11 PM] Shad: Dump where
[9:12 PM] Ven: here
[9:12 PM] Shad: You want the climate change papers they gave me too or nah
[9:13 PM] Ven: I'm a big fan of climate change
[9:13 PM] Ven: mostly because it means more unbearable heat for everyone else, less unbearable cold for me
[9:13 PM] Ven: and a hell of a lot more cool-ass weather
[9:14 PM] Shad:
Animal_Farm.pdf
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[9:14 PM] Shad: Yeahhh uh can we get a drive or something lmfao
[9:14 PM] Shad:
The_Conquest_of_Bread.pdf
1.01 MB
[9:14 PM] Shad: Discord only allows up to 8mb
[9:14 PM] Shad: Hang on, I'll dump in mine
[9:17 PM] Shad: k so some of them are going to be textbooks I stole from Bill Gate's open repository
[9:29 PM] Shad: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id= ... sp=sharing
[9:29 PM] Shad: Boom
[9:54 PM] Oranjui: I'm making a giant post in the Book Recommendations Thread atm
[10:28 PM] Oranjui: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=47224&p=398906#p398906 a
[10:31 PM] Ven: gotta say... I don't think our book tastes are anything alike lol
[10:36 PM] Shad: I mean, I've got a ♥♥♥♥ of books boxed away
[10:36 PM] Shad: Some I had to take out of the boxes and put on my shelf though because the Texas humidity and bad insulation caused the air in the container to condensate onto the pages and then the pages got wet and sweaty, and some started getting bits of mold
[10:37 PM] Shad: So my once empty bookshelf that I was going to use for storing textbooks and backup tech is now once again filled with the very same books that warped the structure
[10:37 PM] Shad: I do have a few conspiracy theories on it though
[10:38 PM] Shad: Like the one where the guy was infiltrating the Weatherman Underground and met a bunch of people affiliated, supposedly Obama
[10:44 PM] Oranjui: what are your book tastes then
[10:44 PM] Ven: more modern lol
[10:44 PM] Ven: I'm a huge fantasy nerd though
[10:45 PM] Oranjui: I mean
[10:45 PM] Ven: sci-fi's up there too, as are any really dense information books
[10:45 PM] Oranjui: I feel like latter-half 1900s is still pretty modern
[10:45 PM] Oranjui: Like I consider Vonnegut modern in the same way that something like Hitchhiker's is modern
[10:46 PM] Oranjui: Unless you mean just more realistic/contemporary fiction stuff
[10:46 PM] Oranjui: Also you should probably disregard the stuff I was forced to read for school
[10:46 PM] Oranjui: because that doesn't really reflect my actual tastes
[10:47 PM] Ven: No, I mean like
[10:47 PM] Ven: modern english
[10:47 PM] Oranjui: vonnegut is modern english as ♥♥♥♥
[10:47 PM] Ven: I don't like trying to decipher stuff in the context of the time period it was written
[10:48 PM] Oranjui: clockwork orange is intentionally really convoluted, Burgess literally invented a slang language for the book
[10:48 PM] Oranjui: it took like 40 pages to start to get what was going on
[10:48 PM] Ven: It's hard to explain because I enjoy that stuff
[10:49 PM] Oranjui: and after you pass the tipping point it starts to suck you in a lot
[10:49 PM] Ven: but I think all the goddamn time and when I read I don't want to need to think anymore
[10:49 PM] Ven: that's why I'm turning to somebody else's world, somebody else's life
[10:50 PM] Oranjui: the thing is it was so hard to understand at first that I literally just ignored it for the first chapter or two and didn't have to think
[10:50 PM] Oranjui: but you pick it up really quickly from context and stuff
[10:51 PM] Oranjui: and like I said earlier I literally started thinking to some extent in the language of the book
[10:53 PM] Shad: Ven, you might be interested in the Mysterious Benedict Society
[10:53 PM] Shad: Dunno if it's worth reading or not
[10:53 PM] Ven: lawl what is it
[10:54 PM] Oranjui: I dunno lol, if you don't want to try it then don't, but what I'm saying is that it's worth the extra effort
[10:55 PM] Oranjui: because it was a wild ♥♥♥♥ ride
[10:55 PM] Ven: I don't think anything is ever really as simple as "if you don't want to then don't" for me
[11:04 PM] Shad: MBS is sort of a mystery/fantasy thing
[11:05 PM] Shad: Four "orphans" go to take a test that is set up for an old narcoleptic to locate his twin brother, infiltrate his lair, and put a stop to his schemes
[11:06 PM] Shad: May or may not include parts that are torture, but are more along the lines of "what the ♥♥♥♥" torture and less of a "WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥" torture
[11:06 PM] Shad: Like no tearing of limbs and ♥♥♥♥. Just kids being stuffed down bug holes
[11:13 PM] Oranjui: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BKw ... sp=sharing butts
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[11:13 PM] Oranjui: nice preview
May 22, 2016
[5:02 AM] Doram: Hell's Bells. Good work, guys. Going to dump a bunch of public domain stuff in the Google drive, and then do a bunch of write-ups in the doc when I get a chance.
[10:02 AM] lemontea: 1984
[10:02 AM] lemontea: Is a good book
[2:01 PM] Yoshiboo118: I liked the Inheritance cycle and since I never read LoTR I didn't feel it was derivative like a lot of critics said
[2:14 PM] Ven: It was derivative as far as basic structure worked but it's not like Tolkien's ideas were super original either lmao
[2:15 PM] Yoshiboo118: True
[4:35 PM] Joshio01: what is THIS?
[4:36 PM] Awesomeguy 99: book club
[4:39 PM] Joshio01: what do you guys do
[4:40 PM] Ven: be enormous nerds
[4:40 PM] Joshio01: SIGN ME UP
[5:05 PM] ShadeRaider: so what do you exatly do here?
[5:05 PM] Awesomeguy 99: be enormous nerds, as stated before
[5:06 PM] ShadeRaider: please define what is entailed in "Be enormous nerds"
[5:07 PM] Awesomeguy 99: talk about books I guess
[5:07 PM] lemontea: hey guys
[5:07 PM] lemontea: channel descriptions exist
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[5:13 PM] lemontea: don't hey me
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[5:14 PM] Joshio01: uh...sorry FF?
[5:15 PM] lemontea: cuz if you think
[5:15 PM] lemontea: that I'm
[5:15 PM] lemontea: still holding ooon
[5:15 PM] lemontea: to something
[5:15 PM] lemontea: u should go and looveee yoooooourseeeelf
[5:16 PM] Oranjui: hey so alternate channels are usually made to keep actual genuine discussion separate from the mixture of ♥♥♥♥ and sporadic semi-interesting discussions that is #runouw
[5:17 PM] Oranjui: can you not
[5:17 PM] lemontea: sorry sir we've stopped
[5:18 PM] ShadeRaider: so if this is a where we just talk about books then I have a series I would reccomend or series' would be more corect
[5:18 PM] Oranjui: precisely
[5:18 PM] ShadeRaider: the lost years of merlin, merlin's dragon and the great tree of avalon
[5:19 PM] ShadeRaider: they follow the adventure of merlin the famous wizard. some of it is based on fact but most of it is not. it is a fantasy book so I would reccomend it to any fantasy fans
[5:21 PM] Joshio01: raises hand
[5:21 PM] Joshio01: "Is star wars a book?"
[5:26 PM] Oranjui: bowser
[5:27 PM] Oranjui: read what i just said thanks
[5:28 PM] Awesomeguy 99: Is mayonnaise a book?
[5:30 PM] Joshio01: No awesomeguy, mayonnaise is not a book
[5:30 PM] Joshio01: horse radish is not a book either
[5:30 PM] Joshio01: My favourite book is...
[7:00 PM] Shad: You guys should click my link
[7:00 PM] Shad: I've got a few
May 23, 2016
[7:15 AM] Forgotten: Do books of torture count?
[7:39 AM] samuRai: Sure. I have read some passages from authors like Diomara Pinto, James Stewart and Louis Leithold.
[7:39 AM] samuRai: They were beautiful.
[11:04 AM] Revolver Sethster: books?
[11:04 AM] Revolver Sethster: i like books
[4:29 PM] Joshio01: i like books
[4:30 PM] Joshio01: specifically videogame cheat books
[6:51 PM] ~Yuri: Just saw this, and looked at the folder
[6:52 PM] ~Yuri: need to admit there are some interesting choices (Lolita is there).
[6:53 PM] ~Yuri: Would definitely add some I have, but I'm too lazy to google docs for them up(edited)
[7:03 PM] Ven: it took me way too long to realize that some of these are like, textbook type
[10:15 PM] Shad: Yeah, friend sent me Lolita as well as a bunch of others
[10:15 PM] Shad: We're working on snagging Never Ending Story next
[10:15 PM] Shad: Btw yeah I'll put the textbooks in a folder lmfao
May 24, 2016
[4:57 PM] lemontea: Lés Misérables is a book(edited)
May 25, 2016
[2:57 PM] Doram: finally finds the time to do some work here...
[2:58 PM] Doram: Hey. Could you give a link to be able to ADD to the Google Drive folder?
[9:18 PM] Shad: We're talking about mine right
[9:18 PM] Shad: Yeah hang on
[9:41 PM] Shad: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByDqQ ... 3VwSjlOVFE
[9:41 PM] Shad: Went ahead and made a separate drive for all our stuff
[9:42 PM] Shad: You guys should be able to add and edit everything
[9:42 PM] Shad: If not, we might need an alternative thing
[9:49 PM] Oranjui: I can't add anything to that
[9:49 PM] Oranjui: also it's all nonfiction
[9:49 PM] Oranjui: oh nvm
[9:49 PM] Oranjui: you can add to it after you click the Add To My Drive button
[9:50 PM] Oranjui: runouwbooks@gmail.com lel
[9:55 PM] Shad: Password is best part too
May 26, 2016
[3:36 PM] Captain Yoshi: I don't read kek
[6:17 PM] Ven: are you okay @Oranjui
[6:17 PM] Ven: do you need like, a priest or something
[6:34 PM] Oranjui: ?
[6:34 PM] Oranjui: Bruh it literally spells Thomas
[6:34 PM] Oranjui: Why'd you change it
[6:35 PM] Ven: being mod means I need to be anal about namechanges and ♥♥♥♥, sorry
[6:35 PM] Oranjui: rip
[6:35 PM] Ven: It's still that in the other server tho
[8:45 PM] Doram: Hey, Shad, your link 404s.
May 27, 2016
[12:39 AM] Joshio01: protip: click on the gear beside a message to delete it
[2:50 AM] Shad: fffffff
[2:51 AM] Shad: Wait is it the more recent one
[2:51 AM] Shad: Because I think OJ did some edits to it or something
[6:03 AM] Oranjui: Oh sorry did I ♥♥♥♥ everything up :(
May 29, 2016
[2:28 PM] Oranjui: Shad did you delete the folder
[2:28 PM] Oranjui: I thought I added it to my google drive but I can't find it anywhere
[2:28 PM] Oranjui: maybe that's tied to the whole 404 thing lel
[4:42 PM] Oranjui: [10:41 PM] Shad: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByDqQ ... 3VwSjlOVFE
[10:41 PM] Shad: Went ahead and made a separate drive for all our stuff
[10:42 PM] Shad: You guys should be able to add and edit everything
[10:49 PM] OJ: you can add to it after you click the Add To My Drive button
[4:42 PM] Oranjui: everything should be good now
May 30, 2016
[7:23 PM] Doram: Ok, working on dumping a great bunch of public domain books from Project Gutenberg.
[7:24 PM] Doram: Should I put them in folders by Author, or should I just dump them all in together?
[7:28 PM] Doram: All the one-offs will be in the general folder, but there are a number of authors with more than one significant work, and I'd rather not have to dig around for sequels and stuff.
[7:28 PM] Doram: For example, I have the full run of both The Wizard of Oz, and Sherlock Holmes.
[7:33 PM] Doram: Also, important works of Mark Twain, Shakespeare, Lewis Carroll, Charles Dickens, and H.G. Wells.
[7:38 PM] Doram: Testing with one of the one-offs. Tell me if you can see The Art Of War by Sun Tzu - nevermind, I came in from outside, and could see it. Confirmed that I can add to repository...(edited)
[7:39 PM] Doram: Also, second question: I have most of them in plaintext. Would you prefer them in PDF?
[7:43 PM] Oranjui: Google drive can't view plaintext iirc(edited)
[7:45 PM] Doram: General Nonfiction -> Government/Economics/Political Science -> The Art of War
[8:17 PM] Ven: serious question why does pdf still exist
[8:25 PM] Doram: Because PDF still does what it was designed to do: force screen rendering according to final printed layout. It's still the only format guaranteed to look the same on screen as it does at print time.(edited)
[8:28 PM] Ven: follow-up question: can we stop using pdfs for everything except that then
[8:29 PM] Doram: shrugs.
[8:29 PM] Doram: E-Readers work well with them too.
[8:29 PM] Oranjui: Nvm google drive can in fact view plaintext
[8:29 PM] Oranjui: Praise be unto the google overlords
[8:30 PM] Oranjui: I can see The Art Of War by the way
[8:30 PM] Doram: Having the stable display reduces the processing power used to display a file, reducing overhead across the board, including battery life.
[8:31 PM] Doram: Good.
[8:32 PM] Oranjui: I personally enjoy pdfs because they feel more readable than plaintext files, but whatever floats your boat
[8:32 PM] Oranjui: There's .epub files and stuff too, but then you have to go to an external reader and stuff and it's exhausting to make an entire extra 2 clicks
[8:33 PM] Oranjui: external as in not google
[8:33 PM] Doram: ^
[8:33 PM] Ven: don't get me wrong pdfs are pretty nice as like, a strictly viewing thing
[8:33 PM] Ven: the problem is that almost nothing is a strictly viewing thing
[8:34 PM] Doram: Well, that's not true. Pictures and videos are technically strictly viewing.
[8:35 PM] Oranjui: Well what are books then lul
[8:35 PM] Oranjui: How do you interact with them beyond strictly viewing
[8:35 PM] Ven: And they, for the most part, are put into .png or .jpeg or something that one can easily edit, should the need arise, instead of pdf format
[8:36 PM] Ven: Books are a singular document type in a vast world of forms and manuals and registration documents etc though
[8:37 PM] Doram: There is a LOT of dynamic content to the web, including frameworks surrounding the static info, but is also a lot of purely static info, meant to be viewed and not edited.
[8:37 PM] Ven: and somehow, inexplicably, pdf has become the default for the digital versions of all of those
[8:37 PM] Ven: have you ever witnessed someone attempt to fill out and then submit a pdf
[8:37 PM] Ven: I'm convinced it actually isn't possible
[8:37 PM] Ven: but somehow that's what every data agency in all of Canada expects you to do
[8:38 PM] Doram: XD Yes, making a PDF interactive literally goes against the intended purpose of PDFs, but the people demanded it.(edited)
[8:39 PM] Doram: The thing is, it's also the closest we've come to standardized machine-readable data entry that does NOT require specialized framework.
[8:40 PM] Ven: At the cost of hundreds of trillions of burned brain cells
[8:40 PM] Ven: at a certain point you have to wonder if it isn't just shooting itself in the foot
[8:41 PM] Doram: Literally the last technology before PDFs that we invented for that process is VT100, and who wants to use Terminal to connect to a remote server any more.
[8:41 PM] Doram: The universal response to that these days is "DOS? Eeewwwwwwww!"
[8:41 PM] Ven: now instead of requiring some specialized framework (a largely set and forget structure) you're obligated to have people on call to deal with frustrated users and waste time talking them through what might as well be a demon summoning ritual because nobody understands that ♥♥♥♥, lol
[8:42 PM] Ven: in 2016 I just can't understand how nobody has thought "there has to be a better way"
[8:42 PM] Doram: shrugs helplessly.
[8:43 PM] Doram: And yet, no new technology has yet arrived to take its place...
[8:43 PM] Ven: maybe it has and bureaucracy just said NO and unexisted it
[8:44 PM] Doram: ...and we've wandered into the realm of conspiracy theory, and the conversation can be considered a dead end, for pracical purposes.
[8:44 PM] Ven: lul
[8:49 PM] Oranjui: Implying conspiracy theories aren't the best kind of theories
[8:49 PM] Ven: The key word was practical, lawl
[8:49 PM] Ven: they're fun but does discussing it change anything
[9:05 PM] Shad: What alternatives are there to pdf
[9:06 PM] Ven: well, is your thing going to be editable? Any image file, any text file, any file ever to be honest
[9:06 PM] Shad: I mean, books as txt can work out
[9:07 PM] Shad: But if the book utilizes graphs or images of some sort, like a mystery novel, then a txt won't display that.
[9:07 PM] Shad: And trying to render it in ASCII will make it turn out to be ♥♥♥♥.
[9:08 PM] Ven: if your book is already in its definitive form and will never be altered by anyone ever again then pdf is super useful and nice to look at
June 1, 2016
[4:22 PM] Lordpat: books to read: Final del Juego
June 8, 2016
[1:48 PM] Oranjui: So I paused in maze runner for a bit because I had other stuff to read and study for but I read a bunch earlier today and
[1:48 PM] Oranjui: it's definitely kinda going downhill in terms of quality
[1:48 PM] Oranjui: Way better than something like hunger games at least
[1:50 PM] Oranjui: I'm curious to see how it'll end because a lot of plot stuff happened really suddenly and I don't really know how I'm expecting the rest of it to go but smaller things have been pretty predictable and stereotypically YAish
[1:51 PM] Oranjui: In other news I got a bunch of my textbooks for next year already and my government textbook is legitimately interesting
[1:51 PM] Oranjui: I'm not sure if that's a good thing or worrying
[3:42 PM] Shad: I have a copy machine stored away somewhere
[3:42 PM] Shad: If I ever need to I can make a pdf of my textbooks and publish them
[3:42 PM] Shad: Especially the expired ones
June 9, 2016
[12:25 PM] Oranjui: wrong channel?
[12:27 PM] Raz: oh welp
[12:27 PM] Raz: this channel neeeded the activity anyways
July 22, 2016
[5:35 PM] Joshio01: bookclub is deeeeaaaaddddd
[5:35 PM] lemontea: We should probably delete it
[5:36 PM] Oranjui: maybe you could
[5:36 PM] Oranjui: cause activity :scream:
[5:39 PM] lemontea: But People don't even Read Books
[6:52 PM] Revolver Sethster: books are for weebs
[6:52 PM] Revolver Sethster: e-books are for true people
[6:53 PM] Oranjui: true and same
[7:07 PM] samuRai: literally what
July 23, 2016
[3:21 AM] Leon: I'm reading Blue Exorcist Vol.2
[7:27 AM] samuRai: Is anyone here also reading the The Passage trilogy?
July 26, 2016
[2:02 PM] samuRai: Nope? Well, I'm just about to wrap up the second book. It's my second time reading through it but there's a little bit of the ending that I don't get
July 27, 2016
[2:24 AM] Shad: I think I might start dipping into my non-fiction collection
[8:52 AM] Oranjui: Nonfiction is :ok_hand:
[8:52 AM] Oranjui: I'm reading The Omnivore's Dilemma for english and it's a really pretentious-sounding book title but it's really good
July 28, 2016
[11:06 PM] A Wizard: IS
[11:06 PM] A Wizard: ANYONE
[11:07 PM] A Wizard: READING THAT CRAZY HIT BESTSELLER
[11:07 PM] A Wizard: the road to serfdom(edited)
July 29, 2016
[12:21 AM] Oranjui: That was an adventure. I finished almost the entire final third of the book today and learned about things ranging from the evolutionary advantages and disadvantages of omnivorousness, to vegetarian philosophy and the ethics of eating animals, some guy's experience boar hunting, and mycology and mushroom foraging
[12:28 AM] Oranjui: It's a good read if you're interested in learning about the food industry and the biology/ecology/history of food and agriculture
July 30, 2016
[12:53 PM] A Wizard: K oj reading a book that promotes the consumption of your species
[2:14 PM] Oranjui: I can't tell if you're joking or actually trying to criticize me/the book(edited)
[2:17 PM] Oranjui: because a pretty major topic was how mechanisms of taste like sweetness versus bitterness and the sense of disgust help omnivores determine what's probably good to eat and what's probably not, and naturally cannibalism and corpses and bodily fluids trigger a reaction of disgust because that's how you spread species-specific infections
[2:18 PM] Oranjui: like feeding cows with byproducts of processed beef as "protein supplements" caused outbreaks of bovine spongiform encephalopathy
[2:18 PM] Oranjui: spooky scary prions
[2:19 PM] Ven: I'd like to say that sounds like a fascinating read but
[2:19 PM] Ven: my first impression was that it was fiction
[2:21 PM] Oranjui: it's not
[2:21 PM] Ven: yeah.
[2:21 PM] Oranjui: it's four case studies of different food chains
[2:22 PM] Ven: And I mean I'm sure it is interesting but facts aren't really as appealing lately to me as actual books with plot 'n' stuff
[2:22 PM] Oranjui: rude
[8:31 PM] A Wizard: Well the plot of the omnivores dillema Ven is that food is a tough subject that is full of more grey areas than a colorblind's vision
[9:00 PM] Oranjui: essentially yes
[11:13 PM] Ven: I can appreciate that but when it really comes down to it, I like food
[11:13 PM] Ven: that's the net sum of all my food opinions. It's good. Without it I'd die.
[11:56 PM] Ven: @GrandPiano
July 31, 2016
[1:45 AM] GrandPiano: Hi
August 31, 2016
[12:43 PM] Raz: you ruined it
[12:43 PM] Raz: today was the monthiversary of the last message
[12:43 PM] Oranjui: good
[12:44 PM] Raz: good
[3:07 PM] GrandPiano: Was that really a month ago
September 22, 2016
[3:40 PM] Thatstuff: no it was 69 months ago
October 14, 2016
[9:21 AM] Revolver Sethster: why does this channel still exist
October 17, 2016
[4:18 PM] Oranjui: This channel exists for me to pretentiously talk about my interests and for other people to thwart raz's most heartfelt efforts to bump the channel
[4:24 PM] Raz: death death devil
[4:32 PM] Oranjui: devil devil devil evil
[4:39 PM] lemontea: this month is my bad vibe month
November 22, 2016
[8:29 AM] lemontea: Ayy
[8:30 AM] lemontea: :speak_no_evil::hear_no_evil::hear_no_evil::see_no_evil::hear_no_evil::speak_no_evil:
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November 23, 2016
[1:47 AM] Joshio01: still confused about the comments update thing
December 5, 2016
[7:03 PM] Harmless: hiiii lemontea
[7:04 PM] Harmless: ...
[7:04 PM] Harmless: why did it put me in the bookclub chat for no reason
[7:05 PM] Ven: Everyone's in it by default
[7:06 PM] Ven: Only a rare few channels are hidden from some people, I think #staff is the only one like that
[7:10 PM] GrandPiano: I should read Lord of the Rings
[7:11 PM] GrandPiano: I have the first book sitting around somewhere waiting to be read
[7:12 PM] Ven: It's a great time if you're into the worldbuilding stuff
January 3, 2017
[10:09 PM] GrandPiano: something happens
[10:13 PM] Doram: Yeah. Quick. Start a conversation so that we don't have to delete the channel...
[10:16 PM] Oranjui: how bout those books
[10:16 PM] Oranjui: oh I got the giant ASOIAF lore book recently and it's literally the shape and size and weight of a textbook
[10:16 PM] Doram: I like books. they're heavy, and they smell nice.(edited)
[10:16 PM] Oranjui: except it's better than the silmarillion could ever hope to be, tenthousandfold
[10:17 PM] Oranjui: plus it has sick art
[10:24 PM] GrandPiano: Going back to school tomorrow and I still haven't started reading LoTR
[10:24 PM] Oranjui: read ASOIAF instead
[10:24 PM] Oranjui: jk I haven't read LOTR so I can't say ♥♥♥♥
[10:24 PM] GrandPiano: What does ASOIAF stand for
[10:25 PM] Oranjui: I hear the worldbuilding in LOTR is legit really ♥♥♥♥ good even though it has boring mostly unambiguous morality
[10:25 PM] Oranjui: A Song Of Ice And Fire, they're the game of thrones books
[10:28 PM] GrandPiano: Ah
[10:28 PM] GrandPiano: Never seen it abbreviated like that
January 4, 2017
[12:28 PM] NanTheHero: I read Harry Potter and the Cursed Child before New Year
[12:28 PM] NanTheHero: I guess that's something that can be talked about here right
[12:29 PM] NanTheHero: Personally I liked it
[12:29 PM] NanTheHero: It's not super great, but it's fun to read, and calls back to a lot of stuff of J. K. Rowling's books
[12:30 PM] NanTheHero: It doesn't really feel like previous books, of course, since it's not Rowling who wrote it, and it's in the format of a play
[12:30 PM] NanTheHero: It sorta feels like fanfiction in a way
[12:30 PM] NanTheHero: (and it is)
[12:30 PM] NanTheHero: But it's good fanfiction :stuck_out_tongue:
[3:07 PM] Doram: Ah, the holy grail of fanfiction. Crossing the line from fannon to cannon.
[4:27 PM] Harmless: Anyone read Dune yet? (Don't spoil it for me.)
[6:47 PM] Doram: Yes. Life changing stuff. Seriously.
[6:52 PM] samuRai: I... don't recall that book. I should likely look it up.
[6:53 PM] samuRai: I'm currently trying to read through A Storm of Swords. And I'm eager to get my hands on City of Mirrors, even if it's the translated version.
[8:36 PM] Doram: Books that changed my life - in order of appearance:
- Child of Fortune by Norman Spinrad
- Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein
- Foundation (series) by Isaac Asimov
- Dune (series) by Frank Herbert(edited)
[8:38 PM] Doram: Honorable Mentions go to:
- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (series) by Douglas Adams
- Discworld (series) by Terry Pratchett
- Stardance (trilogy) by Spider and Jeanne Robinson
- To Sail Beyond the Sunset by Robert A. Heinlein(edited)
[8:43 PM] Oranjui: I picked up the first three books in the Dune series for pretty cheap on amazon a couple weeks ago
[8:44 PM] Oranjui: I want to read them at some point this year, but I'm still slogging through asoiaf, and I was planning to read the Mars Trilogy next
[8:44 PM] Doram: Not Earth-Shattering, but still awesome:
- The Parasol Protectorate (series) by Gail Carriger
- Emberverse (series) by S. M. Stirling
- Secret Histories (series) by Simon R. Green
- The Iron Druid Chronicles (series) by Kevin Hearne(edited)
[8:45 PM] Oranjui: Lol I think Hitchhiker's is a must-read at this point
[8:45 PM] Oranjui: My favourite book in recent memory is still Cat's Cradle
[8:45 PM] Doram: I have a leatherbound onmibus of HGttG. I love it.
[8:45 PM] Oranjui: dang
[8:46 PM] Oranjui: I read the complete trilogy™ as an ebook (unfortunately?)
[8:46 PM] Doram: XD Yes, all 5 books of the trilogy?
[8:46 PM] Oranjui: Yup
[8:46 PM] Oranjui: That's why it's trademarked
[8:47 PM] Doram: Yah. That's what's in my omnibus.
[8:47 PM] Doram: Only Douglas Adams.
[8:48 PM] Doram: I was stupid excited when the BBC started making Dirk Gently into a TV series.(edited)
[8:48 PM] Oranjui: A couple years ago I liked ebooks a lot as a format, but recently it feels preferable to read physical copies of books, so if I ever get around to rereading Hitchhiker's, I'm probably going to need to pick up a paper edition
[8:48 PM] Doram: And, they've done a phenomenal job with it, too.
[8:50 PM] Oranjui: it's weird thinking that my entire past six months or so of reading has consisted almost entirely of asoiaf
[8:50 PM] Oranjui: plus the occasional school-mandated book
[8:50 PM] Doram: Yeah, I like it both ways. Having a physical book is nice, but having a whole library that takes zero room is nice too.
[8:51 PM] Oranjui: although I will say The Things They Carried was pretty good/depressing, and Huck Finn is neat so far
[8:51 PM] Oranjui: so I don't mind
[8:51 PM] Doram: Mark Twain is awesome.
[8:54 PM] Doram: Man, I still have so much left on my classics list that I have to read.
[8:54 PM] Doram: Mostly the dark stuff, too.
[8:55 PM] Doram: Fahrenheit 451, Clockwork Orange, One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest.
[8:56 PM] Doram: Not to mention the Russian masterpieces by Leo Tolstoy like War and Peace.
[8:57 PM] Oranjui: dude Clockwork Orange was awesome
[8:57 PM] Oranjui: well a little unsettling
[8:57 PM] Oranjui: but it was written really well imo
[8:57 PM] Doram: WEll, yeah, thus the dark label. 1984 was awesome too, and VERY unsettling.
[8:58 PM] Doram: Same with Lord of the Flies and Animal Farm.
[9:00 PM] Oranjui: It's a different level of unsettling though
[9:02 PM] Oranjui: Where 1984 was mostly political, clockwork orange was more visceral and psychological
[9:03 PM] Oranjui: Fahrenheit is similar to 1984 in that sense
[9:05 PM] Oranjui: Like, it's obviously set in a drab dystopia, and the author's pretty clearly going for a specific political message in those
[9:06 PM] Oranjui: But clockwork orange just gets into your head
[9:08 PM] Oranjui: it's more than just "wow surveillance/censorship states don't seem like a fun time"
January 5, 2017
[3:20 PM] Harmless: Clockwork orange and 1984 are great
[3:21 PM] Harmless: also on a more humerous note Skullduggery pleasant was the one book I was assigned in school that I actually enjoyed a lot
[3:32 PM] Oranjui: that name sounds familiar
[3:36 PM] lemontea: Damn I need to finish 1984
[4:04 PM] Doram: Read a bunch more on psychology, and then read 1984 again. It's plenty visceral, and truly understanding the ramifications of everything going on is nothing but layer upon layer of manipulative psychology.
January 8, 2017
[7:06 PM] Joshio01: is this still a thing?
January 9, 2017
[12:12 AM] Harmless: no idea
[6:52 PM] Doram: we discuss books occasionally.
[6:54 PM] Joshio01: isn't there a forum for that?
[6:57 PM] Doram: hmm..... No.
[7:09 PM] samuRai: There was a thread.
[7:11 PM] samuRai: It's about as lively as here. Books can take a while, sometimes.
[7:12 PM] Joshio01: well lets make one
[7:12 PM] Joshio01: this is probably better off in media somewhere
[8:56 PM] Oranjui: I ♥♥♥♥ love grrm's worldbuilding
[8:56 PM] Oranjui: Volantis is the prettiest city ever and it literally doesn't exist outside of text
[8:58 PM] Oranjui: (it's not very pretty in the show)
January 18, 2017
[3:28 PM] Raz: Volantis was pretty pretty
[3:28 PM] Raz: only the slums on the long bridge were shown outside of the overlook of the entire city(edited)
[3:31 PM] Raz: although i've always liked the compact and trashy looking look so i dunno
[3:33 PM] Oranjui: honestly I didn't even remember that they went to volantis in the show until I checked the wiki
[3:33 PM] Oranjui: and that's when I added the parenthesis
[3:35 PM] Oranjui: it's just like a massive super old-world tropical port city
[3:35 PM] Oranjui: and the triarchs ride ♥♥♥♥ elephants
[4:30 PM] samuRai: Got me a couple new books this week. There's an Agatha Christie and book three of The Passage.
February 2, 2017
[9:43 PM] Raz: Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell
[10:15 PM] Doram: You know, I loved the TV adaptation I saw, and I would love to read the books now.
March 2, 2017
[1:11 AM] Shad: I'm reading Lovecraft. It's...nice.
March 3, 2017
[9:18 AM] lemontea: All the Bright Places is a nice booko
March 23, 2017
[7:43 AM] lemontea: Update: All The Bright Places is a nice booko that made me cry a lot
April 19, 2017
[7:56 PM] samuRai: I win the bumping game.
[7:58 PM] Oranjui: Update: dune is good
[8:00 PM] samuRai: This week I got around to reading Murder in the Orient Express by Agatha Christie. It's my first time reading a book like this one - willingly, at least. It's not yet a favorite, but it definitely is a solid book.
[8:03 PM] samuRai: For some reason, while I did notice the book had a different "language", I somehow assumed it was a recently published novel, rather than an 80+ year old book.
[8:03 PM] Ven: Lawl, can you elaborate a bit on the "book like this one" part for those of us who have never heard of it?
[8:05 PM] samuRai: It's one book in a huge series in which the protagonist is a detective.
[8:07 PM] samuRai: Nearly everything else I ever got my hands on was a fantasy book.
[8:12 PM] Ven: Huh
[8:32 PM] Doram: 100% realistic fiction, murder mystery series.
[8:33 PM] ~Yuri: Ah, Agatha Christie <3
[8:33 PM] Doram: Generally, the main character is some shade of detective who solves a murder that happens in the vicinity.
[8:34 PM] ~Yuri: I've read some of her most famous books myself. They were the first books I've read in english though, so I'll have to revisit them to fully understand
[8:36 PM] Doram: Notable entries: (aside from Agatha Christie) include Sherlock Holmes, Poirot, (and a bunch more I can't remember on short notice, I'll get back to you) and a bunch of stuff on TV, like Murder She Wrote (Angela Lansbury), Perry Mason, yeah. I can triple this list with a little time for research or actually thinking about it.
[8:36 PM] Raz: And Then There Were None was my favourite book I've ever read in school
[8:37 PM] Raz: who the murderer was was spoiled to me before hand though :sob:
[8:38 PM] Doram: sympathizes.
[8:40 PM] Raz: but I mean it still managed to be easily my favourite in-class reading despite being spoiled
April 21, 2017
[11:47 PM] Shad: Just read all of Skeleton Crew by Stephen King, finished The Dunwich Horror and Shadow over Innsmouth, a lot of the short stories by Lovecraft, and if I can find one good novel that plays into the lore, I'll dig into it
[11:48 PM] Shad: Any ideas
[11:49 PM] Shad: If my reading is right, Innsmouth is positioned near R'lyeh, which Cthulhu rises from?
[11:49 PM] Shad: Or were the ruins scattered about?
[11:56 PM] Ven: I think innsmouth was a city on the shore if that can be considered "near"
[11:56 PM] Ven: but my lovecraft's rusty. All that horror stuff isn't my cuppa tea
April 24, 2017
[10:13 AM] samuRai: I'm now 200 pages into City of Mirrors
[10:14 AM] samuRai: there was this massive backstory arc yet I just read my way through all of it
May 11, 2017
[8:22 PM] Positron: Existence
May 12, 2017
[2:54 AM] lemontea: Reading psychological types by Carl Jung now... It's actually a damn interesting read and I want to get to the part where he explains the cognitive functions so i can see how hard has Internet distorted cognitive types analysis(edited)
[2:55 AM] lemontea: There are also a handful of analysis and comparisons with notorious people in the past
May 23, 2017
[3:06 AM] Shad: I read A Schizophrenic's Guide to Stop Believing in Hell a while back. It's actually pretty interesting.
[3:07 AM] Shad: Title aside, it was this man autobiographying his entire life from childhood to adult, giving insight to what made him who he was, and gave an insider's perspective into things we didn't really pick up from textbooks or media.
[3:08 AM] Shad: And yeah, he's schizophrenic. As far as the "Stop Believing in Hell" part, that's a plot twist I won't spoil. He's not saying to become atheist, but he gives a new definition on what hell really is to him.
[7:09 PM] lemontea: anyone who speaks portuguese please read Os Karas
[7:09 PM] lemontea: the entire sequel
[7:09 PM] lemontea: It's childish and badly written and exaggerated and the characters are portrayed as gods but:
[7:09 PM] lemontea: i'm telling you to read and you should obey
[7:10 PM] KABOOM: why
[7:20 PM] lemontea: don't question
[7:20 PM] lemontea: it's like sherlock
[7:20 PM] lemontea: it's bad but you love it anyways
[7:21 PM] Maaaaarrrrriiiiio: WHY READ IT IF IT IS BAD LOL
[7:21 PM] lemontea: because people shouldn't be ashamed of having trash taste which they have
[7:22 PM] KABOOM: why will I love it
[7:22 PM] lemontea: do you speak portuguese
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