~The Fourth 25quared Contest~

[-BY]

Oh boy. Didn't expect to see drama in a mini LDC. But there's always space for new stuff, isn't it?
My opinion is mostly covered by yurimaster and nin, from what I could gather thus far.

From what I'm seeing this whole thing happened too fast and barely, if organized at all.
I really hope you'll give this system another try for the 30th LDC, as it's the one which offers every aspect, the system shall help to cover.

Right now, some people seem to cling to the opinion that they feel watched and worry about the loss of the freedom of their opinion.
That's totally not the reason for this. It feels like you misunderstood something there. If someone actually loses that, someone is definitely doing it wrong.

In fact it shall help you to learn and feel more easy about your judgings. After this you can rightfully go to the complaining contestants together, as it has been discussed before with everyone and behind every judging sticks more than just one opinion. There's nothing to shake and people will definitely think rather about their opinion if there are multiple people sharing that one.

As for people explaining their reasons for point reductions. It is definitely a disputatious topic, as there are definitely people who don't see these reasons as justified. I'm certainly one of the people who doesn't see reasons of specific judges as justified in the most recent contest.

[MessengerOfDreams]

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*Emelia K. Fletcher (May 25th, 2015, 1:24 pm)

[Harmless]

Oh, sorry, I don't mean to act dramatic or bring up any more drama. I'm just voicing a personal opinion.

If we were going strictly by numbers in the 29th LDC, there would be HUGE disputes breaking out like wildfire.

If we were going strictly by rationale and judges providing analysis/reasoning to back up their judgings, then there really should be no question. Looking back at the judgings (even at my own), I can't say there was a point or note in any of the reviews that irked me. All of the judges were reasonable, even regarding reviews on ChaosYoshi and Supershroom.

Honestly, I thought CY's level was a lot better than the rest of the judging panel thought. Which is fine, I might've given it too much praise, or the rest might've given it too little. In the end, all of the judgings stand by their reviews and their ground. Controversial as it may be, there will always be a gap or differ in scores.

While we can do actions to mitigate these gaps, remember that there will ALWAYS be a judging gap of more than 6 points from time to time. Personally, the 29th LDC just happened to be one of those times. I trust MoD, nin10mode, Venexis, Yurimaster, FrozenFire, Amp, Star King, SuperMIC, and many more to do their best and be genuine in their judgings. Oddly, I feel the need to trust myself to be genuine with my judgings as well.

Now if these gaps happened to more than half of the levels entered, then obviously there's a problem in the system. But if these gaps weren't happening at all, there would be no surprise or variety in the system. Really, the system isn't broken. It may not be absolutely perfect, but it's perfect enough as it is, and that's good enough for me.

I mean, think about it. When I entered one of the 25quared LDC's with Darkwater Haven, MoD (literally) fanboyed over it. KABOOM begged to differ and thought it lacked gameplay. The third judge (amp?) thought it had good and bad points, but nothing majorly outstanding (I think? But that's what the overall score told me anyhow). And that was okay with me, because if every single judge fanboyed, gave my level a 13/20, or just said 'meh', THEN I would be complaining about the system.

But instead I got a variety in feedback. When you think about it, that's a wealth of knowledge to receive just for one level. You're literally getting three times the reviews and feedback on what to fix/keep in a level, and that's more than I could ask for.

So all I request is this; As much as the judges trust the competitors to go by the rules and not submit levels with progress before the starting date, at least trust us as judges to give you genuine feedback.



edit: oh btw almost done with my judgings, I just need to write out one more and I'm good. Saving it for tomorrow morning/afternoon because it's 1:17 AM here.

[Nwolf]

woof

[Harmless]

meow

gonna be gone for the morning in 3 minutes sooo i'll be done in a few hours

[Doram]

<insert slightly annoyed, but also hungry bear noise here>

I said my piece the first 3 time we had this argument. No need to repeat.

Doram waits as patiently as he can.
I just wish it was the 28th so I could find out. Yes. Even I can feel impatience.

[Jumbo101]

So um...

Results?

[Harmless]

I'm almost done. I know I'm a bit late. Sorry.

[*Emelia K. Fletcher]

since the judging process is under scrutiny, i'm waiting for all judgings instead of just proceeding with the results



because the more judges, the fairer

[MessengerOfDreams]

What do you mean?

And how long past today do we wait?