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I'm disappointed with all the trouble you've been stirring up, Shroom. I enjoyed seeing the LDC side of you- not the one going on a crusade against the judging system, but the Shroom who made levels alongside a bunch of cool users and friends on a happy site, you know, for fun. I never really got overly involved with all the drama and just left it to the staff, mostly because I don't like being confrontational (especially since earlier on I hoped you had just made a few mistakes).

It kind of worries me how objective you act sometimes. It seems almost robotic. Heartless. But you have to understand that, just like the others have said, we were all friends here! It was a nice, calm place for quite a while. We're not barbarians, and it's not your duty to act like this place needs to be shaped just how you see fit. Most of us were fine and dandy with Runouw before all this "drama". It feels like you will say whatever's on your mind at the expense of anyone's feelings, and that just isn't right. AFAIK, you and I never really had any qualms about each other. But can't you see this is indirectly influencing everyone? You're hurting people that I consider my friends, and I don't want to be around people that just exude negativity and toxicity.

As a final word, Shroom...I'd probably recommend you don't even waste your time posting a rebuttal here. It's likely going to just make you look worse. If you want to be different, starting right now, you need to demonstrate it through your actions- your words have already done too much damage. But if you truly believe what you're doing is right and nothing else matters, go ahead and reply. You know what should make you feel good? Prove everyone else wrong about what they think of you. Telling them they're wrong is of no help to anyone. Take action and make them believe it. Become the person that everyone can have a good time around. Although, with the grief you've caused people, you might be out of chances.

Anynomous asked me to post here.



Edit:

2016/04/05

a) i have no further logs on my own person, because the rest of what i have logged is in Forum 23, whilst i was still hoping an action would occur
b) if i sound pissed off about this, i do somewhat believe i have a reason for being pissed off about this
c) that is all

npromin, I'm both pretty surprised and very glad to hear from you.

But you and Shroom are totally different people. And you're certainly not hated.

Hey, I want to contribute to calling out things Shroom did wrong too. Too bad someone already included my best moment with him ( http://pastebin.com/1ZbcFaYR ).
May as well include the time Shroom completely misunderstood the FoA and then tried to force everyone to see the same way as him, since the FoA is still near and dear to my heart.

#4715 wrote:I'm pretty sure there's an unspoken "What happens in the FoA stays in the FoA", but this particular incident involved actual forum drama which lead to an increasing distrust of Shroom's position as site staff, and I feel it's probably best that this kind of information is available to all the active members on the site. Keep in mind, the events below are all said and done, and a lot of things can be really obvious in retrospect. I'm also going to attempt to display none of my personal opinions on the matter and just state what happened.

So, when Shroom became a SR a couple of weeks ago he was also granted access to the FoA. He made a thread titled "Peter told me to lock myself in a thread", which was a locked thread as the title suggested. Later Raz unlocked Shroom's topic, and people started posting in it. Shroom then left a user note on Raz saying:

""Please stop unlocking my FoA topic. It has origined from Peter's funny statement on chat ("Can you lock yourself in a topic", reaction after screenie: "gg Shroom") and wasn't supposed to be more. Now, a few posts later, I've decided to lock it for real. Thanks for your cooperation.""

And then Raz responded with one saying:

"i'm sorry my lord, I'll be more considerate of the fact that you want everything to go your way in the future, even in a forum where nothing matters."

Keep in mind, this is the FoA and it's generally well known that we all ♥♥♥♥ with each other there. This lead to Shroom creating a post called "A new FoA etiquette" in the FoA, which read as follows:

Supershroom wrote:You know. This secret subforum is made for ♥♥♥♥. And you guys think you can differ between ♥♥♥♥ and spamming. Well, here are some rules telling what should be avoided.

1. Do not make mock on any other people's cost. I know that this also includes a fine line. If a user is not amused about what's going on, try to respect that. If a user thinks his own topic can be locked, respect that as well.
2. No complete, utter spam topics like "my neck", "my back" ... or 3 times "shut the ♥♥♥♥ up". No redundant stuff and no "wind-up" titles. Generally, better have one topic for several ♥♥♥♥ stuff than several needless topics.
3. Try to avoid being completely off-topic (at least on the topics which have a topic).
4. No smile abuse neither, unless it's something witty like "Can you find the Doram". Also no abuse of caps and no extremely noobish language.
5. No more nonsense actions please like making everything an announcement or flooding thumbs up a la Bryce. This usually leaves a not-so-good aftertaste.
6. If you desperately want to satisfy your ♥♥♥♥ urge in a new topic, try to make something funny or original. Certain ITT's or things like "ban request for Doram" are funny, but the things e.g. mentioned in Rule 2 are not funny at all.
7. Lastly, no more postcount here for the members who have it, that's just unfair. Either have it for all or for noone, but it obviously tends to be "for noone". Probably a glomod will have to enforce this.

So, discuss if you want, and remember that this is for everyone's benefit, like the real Forum Rules are. This means no ♥♥♥♥ in this topic, thank you.

There was no prior discussion of these rules, neither with staff or normal members. These rules were just posted by Shroom without warning an expected to be followed. It's also worth noting again that Shroom had only been in the FoA for a couple of weeks, and there had never been a complaint over anything Shroom tried to change through his rules beforehand by any other members.

OJ replied with a sarcastic post similar Raz's:

Oranjui wrote:Oh, please excuse me, m'lord. I was unaware this forum placed such restrictions on content. Henceforth I shall submit only ♥♥♥♥ of the absolute highest caliber, and be sure to report the actions of any young hooligans polluting the place with their senseless frivolity!

Also:

B a n n e d

At this point I'm going to start skipping some posts because a lot of them just reiterate points already made. I responded to the topic saying:

Bamsmarck wrote:

My previous post so it's all in one place: show

Bamsmarck wrote:Alright, I've been trying to ignore most forum drama that's cropped up in the last few months, but the FoA is the only place I actually post on a regular basis so I feel somewhat obligated to care a little. Shroom, I get that you want the forum to be taken seriously, I really can respect that, but the thing about the FoA is that it's a private subforum that has little impact on the actual public image of the site. In addition to that, pretty much everyone here knows each other pretty well and don't care about a little jab here or there. I mean, hell, if you look at chat, we do that a lot, because we know that everyone can take it and can even get a laugh out of it. Again, I understand why you'd want the new FoA rules to be imposed, but the FoA is advertised to be a no rule ♥♥♥♥ hole*, and if you don't like that, then this subforum is really not for you, because everyone isn't just going to accommodate for you.

The * is for saying "no rule ♥♥♥♥ hole" with the exception of things like real harassment, and let's be serious, you aren't being harassed. All someone did was unlock your thread.

Alright, so I already explained my opinion on imposing rules like this, but since this thread was specifically unlocked I may as well explain why I disagree with each of these rules specifically.

I’m going to say things like “we”, but keep in mind this is all just my opinion. I’m just assuming things based on how people pretty much always act or how they reacted to particular scenarios.

1. We pretty much do that all the time, especially on Discord, and the majority of the time everyone is okay with it and takes it as a joke. I agree that if someone is feels attacked and asks you to stop, you should. However, I'm going to acknowledge the fact that you clearly made this rule because you felt like you were being bullied. I’m going to post our PM conversation for a bit more backing as to what I’m about to say.

Spoiler: show

6:16 AM Shroom said: I'll tell you the user notes that were sent, and see if you think it's still no harassment.
6:16 AM Bryce☭ said: alright
6:17 AM Shroom said: Feb 21st 2:31 PM I wrote to Raz: "Please stop unlocking my FoA topic. It has origined from Peter's funny statement on chat ("Can you lock yourself in a topic", reaction after screenie: "gg Shroom") and wasn't supposed to be more. Now, a few posts later, I've decided to lock it for real. Thanks for your cooperation."
6:17 AM Shroom said: three hours later Raz wrote: "i'm sorry my lord, I'll be more considerate of the fact that you want everything to go your way in the future, even in a forum where nothing matters."
6:18 AM Shroom said: And viewtopic.php?f=43&t=50367&p=358933#p358933 this is literal sabotage.
6:18 AM Bryce☭ said: alright, shroom, I really do get where you're coming from
6:18 AM Bryce☭ said: but it's still not harassment
6:19 AM Bryce☭ said: I know you feel hurt
6:19 AM Bryce☭ said: I'm really sorry to say this, but it's because you took the topic too seriously
6:23 AM Shroom said: Maybe true, but still no justification for anyone else to act this brazenly.
6:25 AM Bryce☭ said: I really don't know what to say because I think the real issue is a difference between what you consider brazen and what we think. That's fine if you consider something more offensive than what other people do, but seriously, the FoA is going to be the FoA and if that isn't okay with you, you can just ignore it.
6:33 AM Shroom said: Anyway, I'll unlock the sabotaged one single time so you can reply if you want, and if OJ intervenes again then ♥♥♥♥ it, no more tug-o-war(edited)
6:34 AM Bryce☭ said: People can voice their opinion if they want, and even if you try to prevent other people from posting on a thread, they can still voice their opinion on a different thread like I did
6:35 AM Bryce☭ said: It's really not okay to block out other people's opinions because you don't agree with them

It’s like I said, I think you took the whole thing way too seriously. It’s fine if you feel harassed and we should respect that, but if that’s what you consider harassment, the FoA isn’t the place for you.

2. Most people consider spam to be "anjhfuiaufdghnaifghsafg". Sure, the posts you listed are "low effort posts", but that’s what the FoA is. Plus, who are you to decide what counts as an actual comedic post and what isn't.

3. It's the FoA. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is, there's really not anything else I can say.

4. Literally nobody else complained. Like I said, people aren't just going to conform to your standards.

5. Yeah, I sort of get how this could be annoying to someone, but again, nobody made a serious complaint.

6. Again, who are you to decide what counts as actual comedy and what isn't.

7. I'm sure that a few people besides just you care about post count, but a bunch of us don't. So this rule can be either way and I'm sure a large sum of us wouldn't care. That being said, it's still kind of weird to me to impose rules that a lot of us would consider arbitrary.

In general: One of my big issues here is that you didn't even talk to anyone else (to my knowledge) if they agreed with these rules, not even the staff. I do think that sometimes the staff should just go ahead and enact a change if discussion is taking far too long and the change is really needed, but no discussion happened and these rules aren’t vital. It’s like I said over and over, this is the FoA and nobody except you complained. You can't just impose major changes on people because your feelings were hurt. I don’t want to sound like I'm saying “Just quit the FoA, you don’t belong here”, because I'm not, but if you can’t handle something as minor as this, you’re not going to have a good time here.

Also, just giving more backing for my stance on rule 1 for non-FoA members, there isn't any intentional flaming or harassment in the FoA. There are a lot of friendly jabs towards other FoA members, but nothing legitimately intended to harm another person.

Doram made a post saying that the FoA provided an outlet for people to let a bit looser than normal, which prompted Shroom to respond:

Supershroom wrote:I probably wasn't clear enough once again.

I didn't intend to disparage the entire culture here. I've scrolled through some earlier pages while writing the OP and some of them I've found to be hilarious indeed, like the few ones that I also mentioned, but some others of them where really too ridiculous. The suggestions aim at the FoA culture being lived in a slightly more controlled and less unrestrained way. That's what it aimes at - no extreme noobishness or excessive language, no abuse of caps and smilies, no over-exaggerative behaviour. Really, it should be possible to let out your hilarity and silliness in not-so-extreme ways. Most FoA topics comply with my suggestions, a few however don't.

And if you really are this conservative and want to keep this as a place with unlimited tomfoolery and without any inhibition level, then ♥♥♥♥ it, let me go out. Then I know for sure that I don't want to identify myself with that and then I don't want to be stressed with that any more before further damage happens.

I was typing up a post before Shroom made the one I just put above, but that ended up being sent after because I took to long ♥♥♥♥ around with wording:

Bamsmarck wrote:Trying to be as unbiased as humanly possible, I'd like to voice a complaint specifically to you, Shroom. I do want to see everyone succeed, including you. That being said, this incident kind of made me concerned for you as a staff member. I'm not saying you should be immediately demoted or anything, but I think it's important for you to communicate with actual forum members before trying to create strict rules on a subforum you've only been in for a few weeks. The whole decision just felt rash to me. I'm just saying this because I do want to see you be the best staff member you can be, but the way you handled this situation made me question your authority as staff.

A few posts later Raz replied to Shroom's topic:

Raz wrote:My answer is no.
You know why I was annoyed, why I was ruder than usual in that user note (a user note mind you, a completely useless thing that you could've just PM'd me about)? You became a site rep, and something immediately didn't go your way in the FoA, so you feel the need that a forum that has existed for almost all of runouw's existance without problems suddenly needs restrictions cause you experienced something not going your way in the forum.
Then you go and post rules, without talking to any of the staff, the users, and act like that's okay. No, that's not how a site rep works. If you're going to be a site rep, you need to take into account the opinions of the users, that's kinda in the names, and also take into account with the staff. That's also the other part of the job, you're supposed to discuss and decide on new ideas with us. If you think that being a staff member means that now everything TRULY goes your way, then you might want to reconsider being a staff member.
And yes, I am rude and I am blunt. But I'm gonna give myself credit here and say that I'm really not normally very rude to everyone here, maybe I'll post a song lyric with obscene lyric in it and someone takes it the wrong way, but I can't think of many other times where I've insulted someone seriously at all. It's when I see something that frustrates me such as a repeated problem, is where it really bothers me. (those are just recent things that come to mind)

EDIT: and don't bring up Suyo's rules again. We all (maybe not you) know they're irrelevant. The only rule that really does apply here is to not flame, which has not happened.

Shortly afterwards Shroom asked to be removed from the FoA. My current knowledge of the situation is that Shroom is going to be given one more chance, but after that he'll be immediately demoted of his rank as staff.

P.S.
Love you guys, hope you've been taking care of yourselves without me. XOXOXOXOXOXO

Edit:
Also I should probably clarify that none of us are actually coming back, we're just helping finally close #ShroomGate.

Supershroom? More like

subparshroom

Some of you know me well enough, but most of you don't know me enough so I have to clarify: I'm not good at the whole words thing. So I'll make my post as simple as possible. I've been pushing for everything in this thread to happen for the past two years, so I feel like I have the right to finally say: I told you so sweet jesus. Of course, this makes me the person shroom primary likes to attack, so it makes it even better when he gets what he deserved after two years of this.

Brando wrote:I guess zombie movies are realistic. People spend a frustratingly long time refusing to admit monsters exist, and by the time they're finally ready to decapitate their zombie friends, the Shroom zombie has already killed the forums.

I can't believe you're still allowed on this site after ruining so many events for the site since you've joined. Level designer contests, ever since you joined, have been a cesspool of drama and tension. No one can look at the level designing scene anymore without looking at the immense amount of drama that you have stirred almost completely by yourself. Mother Razzia, an event you nitpicked (sorry, is that a trigger word still?) the entire time, became a tool for you to ♥♥♥♥ on the people you don't like, like me, oj, or bryce, and praise the people that encouraged the behavior that caused this thread. On a site completely unrelated to this, nevertheless. Only to paint yourself as a martyr. This year's april fools event was ruined by you. Non-staff members wouldn't really know that, but shroom was extremely controlling the entire time. When I didn't want to participate because I was 1. Busy and 2. not liking the way you were taking the event, you ♥♥♥♥ on my life's work to become a veterinarian because I refused to help make the first event since I joined the forums. I still don't forgive you for that, being a vet is a big deal to me. The result was a lackluster event full of passive aggressive jabs at people and threads with a lack of humor and instead just stating events that happened. April fools is about humor, not whatever that cesspool was.

I can't believe you're still allowed on this site after ruining so much fun for so many people here. The level designing scene goes without saying. As for the others, Bryce already discussed this, but the very moment you were allowed in the fortress of awesome, (not because you were voted in, but because you became a staff member so you automatically gained access) you proceeded to make up rules as your very first act as staff member and ruin the very purpose of a forum that was doing just fine before you joined. When the forum argued, doram took you out of the forum, making you the first member to leave the fortress because it was too much for you. The forum had a nice ♥♥♥♥ spree after you left that even became a mini event and was moved to the graveyard when it was over. (http://i.imgur.com/SwhiII7.png) Even the more minor things that don't relate to you, such as Bryce's name change. He changed his names to a couple of numbers, something that is completely irrelevant to you. You still felt the need to complain, why? Just let people have their fun.

I can't believe you're still allowed on this site after you single handedly caused a large portion of the active members (me, chau, brando, nin, oj, l.m, bryce, and so many others) of this forum to leave, retire, or otherwise become less active. (let me clarify that you were the main reason but there were other reasons as well) You can see some examples of their opinions of you here on this very thread. We encouraged them to come back just for you. Those people formed a sanctuary away from you where there has been absolutely no drama aside from the gossip about you and your drama, proving you are the problem. Those who retired retired because they didn't want to deal with your drama. It's much easier to be on this site when it's not your job to deal with you. Those who became less active either talk on the other chat more, or ignore runouw completely.

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These are just a few of the problems you caused on this site, and the ones that have stuck out to me most. I don't really know what this post is, but I really wanted to rant about it. It seems like the general populace had no idea this was going on until this post. I've been pushing for a permaban for god knows how long. Don't get me wrong, I have tried seeing your side numerous times, and I have doram to back me up on that, but you simply have no place here.

If shroom isn't gone by the end of this, you all are welcome to join our sanctuary. The more the merrier.

I didn't really see this side of Shroom beyond what was in the public and the disputes in-chat, and I only got to see the nice side of him...well, whenever I saw him I guess.

But he's a textbook narcissist. If it can benefit him, he'll do it or use it to his advantage, and if it doesn't appease his manner of life, he will attempt to do anything in his power to make it happen. That can mean making a post in a forum made to look like an idiot or suggesting addons to rules. Which he did a lot. But as we can see, he also would take it a bit farther, specifically to other communities, in an attempt to slander the users and make the forums look like a cesspool of hate.

Could be why we're not getting traffic like we used to. Maybe not. Hard to tell, honestly. There's no telling where all he may have spoken ill about us, if it was not just limited to SMBX sites.

Since I didn't realllyyyyy see the side of him everyone else did, my stance is more or less along the lines of YB's, where I instinctively tried to tone down the offenses taken and mediate ♥♥♥♥, but then after reading everything and seeing the ♥♥♥♥ that should not even exist ended up agreeing that yeah, there's a grave made.

You can argue, but you are morally screwed at this point. The most you can do really that wouldn't come across as digging your hole another six feet deeper is to admit you ♥♥♥♥ up, get banned for it, and refrain from ever making mention of the community again, wherever you go. As you should have been doing, as the mature individual you tried to appear as being.

http://archive.is/r3sSO This should not have been made, Shroom.
http://archive.is/WlPBg These remarks should not have been made, Shroom.

No matter how you try to turn it, you tried to pit the community against one another, ranging from the ones who saw your ideas as accurate against those who didn't, to those who hated a particular user versus those who did not.

We had something like this go down once. It's been a few years, and it wasn't as much of a nuclear war as it is with you, but it happened. And people got hurt. People got banned. The damn site got shut down for a few hours to get people to take a deep breath for christ's sake.

I had your side, partially as a neutral party in all of the drama, hoping you weren't this much of a manipulating figure. But as the cards are playing out, I'm not pleased with what I see.

If you do get banned as a result of this, it's because of your own actions, and not because anyone is out for your blood. There are those who distrust you, yes, but there are those who had expectations for you, such as Doram and I, who didn't expect to see the side of you come out as it did.

tl;dr, like it or not, you are responsible for how people percieved you. And you need to seriously invest in therapy before you hurt someone offline.

(I'm still riding this site into the sunset, though, even if it crashes and burns)

By request of some members, I am posting some of the forum 23 stuff that is currently relevant to this subject.

http://pastebin.com/WJSYizRq

And these two following are directly related to each other:
http://pastebin.com/PxBHNJEB
http://pastebin.com/EwfVEcfd

The campaigns are really what set me over the edge. People campaigned against me and we lost our ♥♥♥♥. Not just me, everyone, and younger me is NOT the hill you wanna die defending. He's had campaigns against staff for not being nice to him- we cannot stand by as others retire from the site because of that campaigning. It is NOT okay.