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Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: August 12th, 2015, 9:37 pm
by Forgotten
Marathon of Obstacles
This is my first level, and as a newbie you might think it's just another crappy level, well no, I promise it won't be disappointing, except maybe the lag (must be just my slow computer though) which I've tried to avoid by using transitions.
It's a somewhat long level with various gimmicks, including some that involves tricks I've learned as a lurker.

This took about 3 days to make, so you can tell I did put effort into this. No enemy spam, no floating items (except coins, a few platforms and items on floating tiles). Also, no cheap deaths like bottomless pits, there is only a couple of bottomless pits in the whole level.
I've tested the level from start to end, so you're not stuck even if some parts may seem like you are.


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Re: Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: August 13th, 2015, 1:13 pm
by l.m
That's really an amazing level. 5/5: Picture this level as a proof that the thing that makes bad levels and actually good levels different is the effort.

but please lower the speed of the moving green blocks a bit they're kinda hard to go through

Re: Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: August 13th, 2015, 5:42 pm
by Goldy301
Never have I seen a person's first level done awesome! 5/5

Re: Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: August 14th, 2015, 1:46 am
by Vajrin
Good job. This level might be not perfect but it was great.

4.5 ----> 5 stars.


Edit: me ---> be

Re: Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: August 14th, 2015, 3:03 am
by Supershroom
I hope you don't mind if I drop a review. For a first level, it's indeed very good, better than my first level (before I've edited it).

GAMEPLAY: 8/10

Yeah, this was a long, challenging experience with a good amount of difficulty. It was supposed to be a showcase of obstacles, so I shouldn't talk much about something like "structure" or "consistent pace". At some places, it was really amazing, where at some other places it slightly went over the top, or was a bit boring. But overall, it was successful. The start was relaxing, the block ride over lava was hard yet cool, and there were crossovers here and there, with a nice amount of coins to collect. Yet the challenging areas could have been executed better. As FF said, the moving blocks get troublesome at the place with only one free tile at the bottom. You can run through there, but it has to be incredibly well timed. It's better to take off half a tile at the ceiling. The moving blocks at the start (in the brown tower) cause waiting times; touch-and-go-platforms or some platforms to climb up would do better. The switch-speed race was diversified, yet many switches offer quite much time to be passed, and the very fast bullet bills were annoying. At some places, more clues could be helpful, e.g. at the pyramid area where you need a bullet bill to break a block. I've just ran forward and then had to go back. There were also places where there was almost nothing to do, such as the vertical water climb. You have to be quick at the bottom and at the top, but the rest is just ping-ponging. The turbo dash at the end was rather pointless. (But the trick with the invisible wall was cool)

TL;DR: You already offer a nice palette of gameplay, but you just maybe test slightly better and pay attention to how others would feel if they're playing your level. Is everything clear to a player who doesn't know it? Are there unnecessary waiting times with blocks, or are there bugs? At crossovers without much difficulty, is there still something nice to do with platforming and collecting coins? Consider that and you can make incredibly fun levels.

GRAPHICS: 2.5/5

There are many, many places which are very boringly tiled with only one tile all the time, though this one tile is the correct one. This can be done so much prettier, simply by taking two or three similar tiles and windows and forming patterns within the buildings. There is soooo much variety for fortresses, canalizations, pyramids, ghost houses, or just places like the Warp Zone where you've put castle checkerboard tiles all around. Explore the riches of all tilesets! At the Warp Zone, it doesn't look like something, as there are rows of only one tile (that's too narrow!) and we can see background below it. And right after the Warp Zone, there was an area full of deliberate cutoffs. All retroness aside, you could still have put random bricks that have no unfinished edges.

Decorations are already present and they look good at where they are, yet the water area with cave tiles lacks decoration. Generally, to make graphics better, take care about making the level look what it's supposed to be, and avoid monotonousness / sparseness in both tiling and decoration.

OTHER: 3.75/5

+0.5: No lags and few loading time compared to the size of 777x60. Yet you shouldn't mind placing more décor at the cost of more loading time. (as long as it isn't atrocious with 15+ seconds)
+0.25: A variety of playing around with glitches without causing too much confusion, e.g. with the invisible gate at the end.
+0.25: You indeed spent effort into this, although the 3 days you needed can quickly be a week or more if you really care about graphics and plan them accurately.
-0.25: No music provided. Though it's honestly hard to find a good music for such a variety of themes.

OVERALL: 14.25/20

You can be the next big face in the LDing scene indeed (as I've already surmised in Welcome, lawl). The graphics is the most important thing for you to improve, but you can do incredibly well in the future.

Re: Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: August 14th, 2015, 7:53 am
by Pawn12
Great level, You have a promising future here on Runouw. I give your level a 4/5.

Re: Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: August 14th, 2015, 2:00 pm
by Forgotten
Thanks everyone, for the ratings and reviews, I appreciate it! :awe: I'll try to reply to some of the flaws pointed out here...

Yes I knew the section with the green moving blocks was hard at times, especially the part with one tile (like Supershroom said), which is why I placed a "checkpoint" directly below it. But as you've said, it still requires good timing. I could lower the speed of the blocks, or maybe reduce the ceiling to a half-tile, not sure which will be a better choice though...
At first I did think about using touch-and-go platform at the "brown tower" part, but I thought the circus-looking green platform looked out-of-place there... But now that I think about it, I guess it should be fine. After all I did use the platform at the SMB3-style airship part. (Speaking of that airship part, I guess it's okay? Since nobody mentioned it. :P)
About the switch section with the warp zone, it was pretty bland I know, since having trees on castle tiles looked odd, and even worse on switch-controlled tiles (cut-off when they were off).
The next part was the small area with cut-offs, it was intentional as a reference to the famous World -1 glitch from Super Mario Bros., although the cut-offs were added to create a "glitchy-looking" place. This area was directly below the warp zone, which is the reason I didn't tile the warp zone like I did the other interior parts, I didn't want the warp zone tiles to be seen from here (at minimum zoom).
I've also wanted to decorate the underwater cave, but the decoration seems to appear in front of the water, thus looking wrong... I thought removing the water and re-adding it would fix it, but sadly I went for deleting the decorations underwater instead. You can see I did decorate the parts above water in the cave. I'm glad nobody criticized the lack of a wall for the cave yet, as there was really nothing I could do about it, walls don't work with half tiles.

In my own opinion though, I find a flaw at the last part, the last column of tiles appear slightly off-screen, and the bottle, besides being rather unnecessary, was ugly due to being partially off-screen. The cryptogram clues in the "Minus World" may as well be useless, I guess most would figure out the secret there, than to actually try to solve the cryptogram puzzle.

I wasn't really aware of the concept of alternative music though, I'll try doing that for future levels if I had time to make more.

So, I'll take the advices if I were to improve this. As I'm a newbie, may I ask if I were to do that, would it be okay to just replace the code posted here, or post it as a separate level? The latter seemed like spam in my opinion?

Re: Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: August 14th, 2015, 2:53 pm
by l.m
If you need to update your level, press the shiny Edit button on the top and replace the code.

Re: Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: August 14th, 2015, 10:12 pm
by Goldy301
Someone rated 3 stars. lol

Re: Marathon of Obstacles

PostPosted: September 7th, 2015, 5:14 pm
by RedKSC
I think I'm the only one who actually spent the time to decode the cryptograms :P. Not sure if I got them right tho, but they seem correct.