Overhaul of SM63 judging system

[Oranjui]

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npromin1 (April 29th, 2016, 6:10 pm) • TheExcavator (April 29th, 2016, 3:28 pm)

[Venexis]

Graphics are arguably less important than gameplay. Your graphics could make grown men weep but it means nothing if the level itself is confusing, poorly balanced, or flat out impossible. You won't ever see how beautiful it is if you're incapable of progressing (gameplay).

I'm not denying the designer is an artistic medium, but it's a game first and foremost, not an art gallery. The primary draw of games is the ability to interact with it. It is logical that gameplay should be worth more points.

[MessengerOfDreams]

Graphics are still only 25% of the game. I don't see how it's fair that people who are game play oriented (which interestingly the rest of Shroom's rules tilt the table in favor of) should get two extra point advantages that will be stolen from graphics. It's rigging the system, blatantly.

[Venexis]

In the 12-8 split they'd be 40% though.

I still don't really care what format is decided on, just want to comment that this is probably why people want more emphasis on gameplay. I mean, the fact that people make levels for others to play (as opposed to scrolling through the designer mode just looking at the level) kindof speaks for itself.

[MessengerOfDreams]

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Oranjui (April 29th, 2016, 7:59 pm)

[Megar]

While I don't mind doing a ten/ten split I think at the end of the day gameplay really is more important in the case of 63. In this case everything else does have less value because at core this is a medium for creating Marios, not telling huge stories and whatnot. The only real method of providing a functioning plot is through signs, which is just jarring and splits the action far too often if trying to tell a full story.

Yes, it's an alternative way of designing that has its place. But when the purpose is to create a level that people have fun running and jumping and stomping enemies in quite frankly I'm not here to read countless signs. I just want to stomp Goombas or something. If I'm looking for a tale I'll go read a book or something I find online. Not play a Mario game.

And accusing Shroom of tilting it in his favour is honestly just wrong. He's judging this based on what I'm fairly sure the majority finds to be more important.

[MessengerOfDreams]

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npromin1 (April 29th, 2016, 6:09 pm) • Oranjui (April 29th, 2016, 3:41 pm)

[Megar]

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Supershroom (April 30th, 2016, 2:38 am)

[Raiyuuni]

Atmosphere can be put into smaller sections: plot and appearance/sound.

I guess it should be possible to carry out a similar division with Gameplay as well, given how gimmicks, glitches and game performance overall occasionally warrant being mentioned on the judgings.

Plus, wherever there's emphasis on the judgings being set, it won't be easy to reach a perfect score on that one criterion.

[npromin1]

The judging system should be 10/10 because the atmosphere of a level matters. If the atmosphere is bad, then it affects the gameplay and the fun.

10/10 should be the new judging system.

Edit: I put so much effort into music, plot, and graphics in my recent level in the 5th 25 squared LDC that it turned out terrible. Why did I do that? Because I KNOW the atmosphere matters.

Double Edit: Plot doesn't necessarily have to be something required in a level, but if the level designer includes it and the judge likes it, then the judge should be able to add a few points to atmosphere for that.