Runouw Votes Discussion

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How do we handle this year's RV season?

Poll ended at July 17th, 2013, 9:47 pm

RV is fine as it is already
3
4%
Restrict the number of awards a person can get
12
17%
More awards
12
17%
Less awards
16
23%
Cancel Summer 2013 and discuss for Winter 2013
8
12%
Go on with Sumner 2013 normally and discuss for Winter 2013
14
20%
Cancel RV altogether
4
6%
 
Total votes : 69

Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

Postby CedarBranch » July 8th, 2013, 12:08 pm

nin10mode wrote:Really, I think the only solution is to keep the broad awards and make sub awards that branch off from those. Most Artistic already had best Sig and best Avatar. Best LDer could have best story, best puzzle, best platformer, etc.
nin10mode especially wrote:Most Artistic already had best Sig and best Avatar. Best LDer could have best story, best puzzle, best platformer, etc.
nin10mode ever more especially wrote:Best LDer could have best story, best puzzle, best platformer, etc.
Me in a totally related quote I made up and wrote:A suggestion that must be considered.

I am all for adding sub-categories!



But more seriously, different types of levels require different sets of skills. Being recognized SIMPLY as a great designer in general isn't specific enough. You could be the best puzzle maker ever, but at the same time be terrible at story writing, yet you may not even be good at (playing) platformers.
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Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

Postby Raz » July 8th, 2013, 12:43 pm

I honestly don't like Runouw Votes and would just rather have it removed completely.
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Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

Postby nin10mode » July 8th, 2013, 1:05 pm

Raz wrote:I honestly don't like Runouw Votes and would just rather have it removed completely.

For the unenlightened , we talked about this with a bunch of other users on the chat. There isn't enough users to have a very fair or even vote. The categories have very little or no competition. We are closeknit and already for the most part agree who is best at what.
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Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

Postby Raz » July 8th, 2013, 1:09 pm

And most of the time it's the same people nominated each year.
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Karyete: Oooh it's you? Hello. Feel free to drop this right now. You're going to make yourself look like an idiot.
Karyete: We don't want to hear your opinion at this stage.
Karyete: You're not getting any apology, especially after now.
Karyete: You can stay up on your high horse, continue to twist the truth and act like an absolute child all you want. I refuse to give respect to a man who right now is picking up a dropped argument because he simply cannot fathom the idea that he might be in the wrong.
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Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

Postby CedarBranch » July 8th, 2013, 1:24 pm

nin10mode wrote:
Raz wrote:I honestly don't like Runouw Votes and would just rather have it removed completely.

For the unenlightened , we talked about this with a bunch of other users on the chat. There isn't enough users to have a very fair or even vote. The categories have very little or no competition. We are closeknit and already for the most part agree who is best at what.

Unfortunately, I haven't been on chat in a long while, so I haven't gotten as up-to-date as I should be--because of laziness + another reason I'd rather not speak of to anybody, at least for now.

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Anyways, on-topic:
Although that point is very strong, how do you think some users may react to hearing the removal of something that people having been attending to for much of this very site's history? (not that very many were taking part in the first place.) Are we just throwing away some of this site's history? Have some users been looking at the RV as an incentive for their striving?

I wouldn't just redact the RV, but maybe we could at least diminish its importance.

Just my opinion.
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Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

Postby *Emelia K. Fletcher » July 8th, 2013, 1:29 pm

People's ranks will never change, because we're all grounded in our judging by members' first impressions.

I'll always remain inferior to SK and LF, even if I produce something akin to the ♥♥♥♥ Mona Lisa.

Dammit my grudge keeps swaying my views


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Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

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Postby ~MP3 Amplifier~ » July 8th, 2013, 1:33 pm

Not necessarily. Volkove may be seen as the best level designer but I came up pretty much out of nowhere. And I'm not the only exception.

While I welcomed opinions on how to improve RV, what I didn't want to see were people suggesting it be taken down altogether- because that's not improving it, that's just giving up on the idea that we ever could. I know Runouw may be a site full of procrastinators but I'm sorry I don't allow easy quitting, whether that's because I'm one of the minority who are actually committed in this kind of thing or what. There are ways to improve this and make this more fair, it may be because there are far too many categories for the number of members who actually get involved, or that there is too much biased voting.

Whatever it is, we can fix it, and not by simply stopping it, because that won't solve anything at all.
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Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

Postby Raz » July 8th, 2013, 1:39 pm

Us being procrastinators has nothing to do with a few of us wanting to cancel Runouw Votes all together.
I don't like it, the results are pretty much similar every year and there's barely enough members for any variation.
I don't want more choices, or less choices. Whatever we do there will still be little variation in the winners for years to come.
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Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

Postby ~MP3 Amplifier~ » July 8th, 2013, 1:53 pm

By procrastinating I meant that it felt people weren't really getting involved in the improvement process. But the more I read this topic, the more false that is. So, my bad.
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Re: Runouw Votes Discussion

Postby nin10mode » July 8th, 2013, 2:12 pm

I don't want to give up on it, just delay it until having RV is practical. It makes more sense to have votes when there is at least 100 active members. We have like 25. I've seen sites where competitions were sporadic. It is fine to be inconsistent. Not everything needs to be annual, monthly, or whatever.

I'm willing to have one last one before it goes on hiatus.
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